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there I'm good afternoon from

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Philadelphia Frank here UFO News Network

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Sunday a special 2018 Year in Review

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round table it was pretty much the year

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of the to the Stars Academy the eighth

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tip program and everything surrounding

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that some other things happened to here

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and there but it was pretty much their

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year they pretty much dominated just

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about all the major news in the field

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over the last year and there's no sense

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in denying it we're gonna tackle it and

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go basically from coast to coast let's

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bring in a great panel we've got for

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everybody today we've got well I'll

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start that going now west to east we got

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pretty much half the world covered all

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the way out west from the wild wild west

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chant Hannah UFO investigative

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journalist doing interviews most

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recently I saw the one with Irina Scott

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you also introduced to some guy named

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Dave Beatty who I didn't know that much

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about that learned a lot more reading

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your interview and some mufon state

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directors as well welcome aboard chant

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thanks for coming on thank you for

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having me and this is this is your

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rookie year in all this is that about

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right that you're just getting active in

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proactively going out and asking

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questions about UFOs and sharing it

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online yeah I think it's important for

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the average UFO enthusiast to learn as

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much as possible and um you know you

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have you're very serious UFO researchers

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out there but there's a lot of people

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who want to learn more about this topic

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and so what I do is I try and interview

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as many people who are serious in the

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field of ufology as possible so that we

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can educate everybody about this topic

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and all the way from Winnipeg Grant

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Cameron grant you've obviously not a

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rookie anymore at all this but you've

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had a pretty good 20 18 I would say

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you've had a great 2018 thanks for

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coming back on board with this grant

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Cameron you know thanks Frank it was

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yeah it was an exciting year it sort of

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felt good it

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felt a little bit of indication for what

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I've been saying for so many years

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everything seems to be going along the

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way I thought it was gonna happen so it

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was it was a good year and I it looks

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like a better year coming certainly hope

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one question for you grant you started

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actively researching all this a number

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of years ago would you say this is your

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best year in the field since you started

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huh hard to say

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you've had some other good years to me

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it's it's served to me it's a matter of

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inspiration whether I think I've sort of

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figured it out and I think as it goes

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along every year gets better where I

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have less last questions as you know I

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started 75 where I saw something and all

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I wanted to know after everybody

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rejected my manuscript was what's going

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on and I think I I don't have that many

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questions anymore as to what's going on

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okay okay great and all the way from

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Dave Beatty Dave UFO researcher

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obviously a MUFON investigator back in

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the day and the producer of the nimitz

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chronicles dave you've had a really good

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year too yeah thanks Frank

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I think we have to say this would

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probably be one of the best years for me

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in this field but then again I have been

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out of it for quite the while and I did

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kind of just get back into it when this

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all broke last December so it kind of I

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would say it's probably the best year

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and in your wildest dreams your nimitz

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encounters on a documentary over on

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youtube and roughly a month you're

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pushing a million views already

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dave did you and your wildest dreams did

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you anticipate that kind of response you

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know it was completely surprising to me

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I have no idea how that occurred how

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that it reached that many people I mean

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there must have been a share by somebody

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that had a lot of followers that's all I

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can think of or a lot of people are

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interested in this topic so I'm not sure

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how that happened but I'm very happy

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that it did so sure sure absolutely yeah

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you've got that some news for us and

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we're gonna talk you know a little bit

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more detail because obviously just died

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last month November that's when it was

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released and we're gonna try to review

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the year in chronological order but I

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know you've got plenty of stuff because

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you've been working all this throughout

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the year and all the way from England

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we've got Twitter user Jay Jay thanks

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for coming back on with us thank you

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very much for inviting me it's really a

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pleasure to be here with people that

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I've been following for a long time you

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know Grant camera and I think is a bit

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of a legend in the area and Dave and

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Shawn as well so it's gonna be really

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really great thanks for the invite I

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apologize in advance I've got a bit of a

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cold okay yeah this sort of see through

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that fantast and fine you sound great

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Jay yeah you're a basically a rookie in

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all this - as far as proactive UFO

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research and sharing your sharing their

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information talk about how talk about

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your rookie year a little bit tell us a

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little bit about that sure yeah so I got

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involved in this stuff starting June

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this year you know it's kind of always

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been something I've been interested in

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for 20 odd years on coming up for 40 and

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just a few months at you know it's been

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there for a little while but only really

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introduced myself to the community in

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June when I signed up to Twitter and

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made a little splash with the Mellon

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leak finding these documents likely were

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elizondo's that's gonna be a lot of fun

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because I'm I'm not too clear on that so

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I've got quite a few questions for you

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and let us go back basically yeah this

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this idea it's a real shame that James

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isn't here because the idea to do this

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show was James's baby he wanted to talk

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about this and a lot of the notes that

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I've shared with you offer about some of

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the key events throughout the year that

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he put a lot of that together so

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obviously it's a big disappointment that

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James is it with us but the show must go

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on so basically a year ago this Sunday a

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year ago the New York Times broke that

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huge story revealing the a tip program

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the names of some of the Senators

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involved including most famously Harry

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talking about it as well

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simultaneously with all that to videos

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yeah lear video and a gimbal video one

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of them confirmed to be from the famous

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nimitz encounter the other from a

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somewhat hazy encounter that we've since

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tracked down as something happening off

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the east coast of the US in 2015 i

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believe it is is that correct dave yeah

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that's that's what we believe you know

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it hasn't ever been announced anywhere

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aside from our group and a couple of the

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researchers there that believe that

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those videos were filmed off the coast

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of florida actually not far from me off

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the coast of daytona in a training area

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where they were doing similar work ups

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that the Nimitz was doing and this would

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be the USS Roosevelt Strike Group and

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it's believed that that was filmed in

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the month of January so God okay well

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the story breaks I know I woke up that

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Sunday morning and I couldn't believe it

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I'm trying to save links and keep

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information together and tabulate it and

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share it and it was it was an

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extraordinary day grant Cameron you've

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been on all this a while but the the

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actual story itself when it broke the

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coordinated media attack by whoever

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wants to get this information out came

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down and that was there for all the

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world to see it were you surprised it

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happened that way on that particular day

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surprised because I had actually written

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managing magic it had been released in

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February about maybe almost a year

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before and I had predicted that Tom

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DeLonge and Jim semi van and all these

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guys were doing this I've been told that

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they were going to do this but if you

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remember the way it broke was Hillary

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was supposed to do this it was gonna be

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Hillary and Podesta and Obama had green

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lighted this thing and because Hillary

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lost the election there was all this

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delay so when the thing actually broke

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December of the 16th if you recall even

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Tom DeLonge was very frustrated a couple

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days before the

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the actual release in these media Tom

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DeLonge had posted and said ugh you know

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like Oh another delay and it was like it

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was almost given up too and he was

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taking a lot of a lot of hits on his you

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know his his various media that he was a

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big scam artist and this is all garbage

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and nothing was gonna happen so when it

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happened I went oh finally they finally

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cuz I heard I've been talking to people

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on the inside and they kept saying it's

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coming it's coming don't worry it's

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coming and so when it broke I just

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basically said this is disclosure this

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is what we've sort of been waiting for

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this confirmation and my first step was

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immediately to go to Ron Pandolfi so I

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went through Dan Smith and I immediately

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said what's Ron got to say and so it

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started that whole thing that I believe

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that they were part of this and but I I

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said basically this is disclosure and I

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still maintain that basically it's over

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I mean it's it's just it's unraveling

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now and from what I hear now it's just

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gonna be more unraveling and people will

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say you know there was no disclosure and

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I'm going depends were you the Fed

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definition of disclosure disclosure

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means to reveal and that is the biggest

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purview

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I mean I've been at it since 74 there's

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nothing even close to this there's been

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a lot of rumors this is gonna happen but

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I mean it was absolutely major event

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admit it it falls into what I said it's

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it's not full disclosure it's not you

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know they're gonna tell you everything

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it started with the three newspapers two

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of them using one name and one of them

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using the other all of them would have

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had two sources inside two sources in

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inside the Pentagon who were confirming

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to the Misses for real and so it was

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still this game of gradually you know

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mess up the story leaking out but to me

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it was December 16th was basically

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disclosure on a Saturday morning when

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you shouldn't be releasing anything like

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39 years after December 17 when the

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shutdown Bluebook so there's all these

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different connections but very very

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significant the mode the most

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significant event and did this

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disclosure nobody jumped off a roof

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nobody committed suicide you know run on

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the stock market nothing happened

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everybody just went oh okay well Dave

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that morning when all that broker

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are you working on your documentary at

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that point or was this a catalyst for

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you no it was totally a catalyst I

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really you know again hadn't been

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involved in the community as much in you

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know as grant knew about this Tom

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DeLonge and the whole thing in advance I

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hadn't really known too much about it so

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I had a lot of catching up to do and you

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know reading that article that that

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morning in the subsequent articles in

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the Washington Post and so on it was

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startling to me I mean I could not

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believe that was reading this in a major

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American newspaper and then globally

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it's usually not even covered or it's on

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the back page or a tabloid or something

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and it was being taken seriously and it

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was being discussed I think this had one

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of the most profound effects on their

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website I believe that York Times

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website it was one of their most

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successful articles and so yeah that was

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really the starting point for me in

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starting to conceptualize doing a visual

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representation of that one event that

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was mentioned in in New York Times

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that's the Nimitz part right yet did

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this particular event get your attention

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when it was happening or I wasn't more a

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case of the attention that followed kind

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of drew you in well I think the point

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that was just made about how it was

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disclosed on a Saturday morning you know

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when people would be very relaxed and

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not really noticing anything is

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important that's how I kind of feel

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about it I don't mean to sound so

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nonchalant but I honestly believe if

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there's full disclosure people really

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will have the same response you know so

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that's quasi disclosure right there

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that's exactly what happened there was a

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lack of response by the general public

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I mean to a degree you know seriously

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research they were very passionate about

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it as they should be and you know all of

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us in the UFO community that follow

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these kinds of stories we were very

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excited about it thrilled in fact but

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the rest of the world just seemed to

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continue

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you know doing their normal everyday

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routine God and J was did this get your

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attention on day one or did the

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follow-up attention kind of draw you

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into all this yeah it's pretty much

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exactly the stuff on the day since he

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got released checking out all the videos

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I wasn't familiar with any of it

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beforehand I know that there was some of

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the videos floating around for the

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nimitz incidents for a few years

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beforehand but I'd never heard of them

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so yeah it's all new to me but it was

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all fascinating I think some videos have

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a bit more to them the Nimitz one has

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quite it's quite an interesting one and

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the gimbal is quite interesting I think

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there's valid criticism for the go-fast

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video which I know came a bit later but

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yeah I was a essentially new to it all

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but obviously absolutely fascinated me

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straight from day one got it fascinated

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a lot of other people there was a lot of

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media coverage outside well outside the

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immediate big news sources like the New

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York Times and the Politico was involved

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right from the get-go but some other

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mainstream entities were picking this up

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there were some interviews getting done

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on the various national level news

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channels here in the States

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I know one story that really got my

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attention in the immediate aftermath was

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a story in Scientific American which

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never does UFO stuff but there they are

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covering it and a fairly in-depth

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interview with Steve Justus who's with

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the Stars Academy recently retired from

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the aerospace industry so that this

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story got a lot of people's attention

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especially in the media there's no doubt

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about that

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any other stories any other things that

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you read that they got your attention in

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the immediate aftermath that that stands

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out for you before we leave this subject

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I did just want to give credit to

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Twitter Jay for not having revealed the

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female pilots name and information and

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you know her background regarding the

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Nimitz UFO case yeah yeah we're gonna

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get into that and lots of detail when we

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get around to August correct Jay what

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yeah

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hahahaha okay that and right after that

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between Christmas and you well another

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thing that happened I'm getting a little

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bit ahead of myself we got so much to

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cover here suddenly mainstream media was

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asking questions questions once at the

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general press conference which Huckabee

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Sanders runs that was asked and she

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didn't have an answer at that point I

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was going to get back to the gentleman

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who asked the question and then while

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Trump was leaving to go away on the

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holidays one screamed question from the

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press crowd and of course presidents

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never answer those questions no matter

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what they are they always keep back

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going that running to her from the

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helicopter whatever they're doing but

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that got in there too

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gret I know you had some thoughts at the

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time about how all that played out yeah

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well I I still maintain that the

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president knows and you're not going to

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drag the president because it just leads

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to another 5,000 questions and 3,000

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reporters so that looks worse Sanders

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said she to actually told the reporter

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from the hill who was the one the guy

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the guy asked the question that she knew

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the question might be coming but she

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didn't think anybody would ask the UFO

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question and his question of course was

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what does Donald Trump think about UFOs

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and will he refinance the ATA program

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and she said I'll get all I haven't

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talked to the president I'll talk to him

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I'll get back to you and I knew she

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wouldn't and I tried to contact the

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reporter and he wouldn't but on the 16th

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story there's there's two things I'd

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like to point out that people keep

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overlooking and that is the fact that

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the 16th story the Deezer stories took

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two months to take to unravel so all

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these various media were coordinated and

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I was told with Jim semi van who would

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pretended the whole thing and they all

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went on the same day of this long

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involved story and then on the 18th

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there was a very sort of interesting

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thing that everybody sort of overlooked

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that was the New York Times the

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Blumenthal article a couple days later

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where he details how this thing came to

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be and he refers to the fact that Leslie

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Kane went from New York City to

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Washington and that there was a whole

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pile of people in the room so it wasn't

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just Lou Elizondo and I think they said

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there was the

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former and present and former

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intelligence officers and a military

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contractor were in the room and that's

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where you start to see that this thing

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was much more involved than then people

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think it was it was well coordinated

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there was a lot of people involved and

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that it as always keep maintaining that

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everybody leaves out is the fact that

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somebody green lighted this this whole

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operations take place now semi van told

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my friend mental Amendola Leslie that it

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was the Pentagon and I firmly believe

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and I'm that's my next objective is to

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identify where this thing is being

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green-lighted but somebody's behind this

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thing it was very very carefully

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orchestrated and very involved operation

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this December 16 thing this was not just

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something that three newspapers just dis

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suddenly decided all to do their first

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UFO story in like three years on the

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front page of the newspaper and they all

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just happened to all the same day and

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nobody tried to out scoop the other

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person it was very very well done and

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very very very planned well a part of

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that planned I might well have been a

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little break that came my way over at my

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facebook group by Gary Nolan at the time

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was a member and he did a little

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impromptu ask me anything over there

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about the meta materials which were

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revealed in the The New York Times story

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and he was nice enough to do that and

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that is a pretty interesting subtopic

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and it's very easy to find it that

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basically covers up the front page and

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that is a was a good starting point to

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get started on that aspect of things and

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also there's a history behind it

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jacques ballet has been involved in this

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quite heavily peter stearic going back

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in the day how put off as well basically

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what we've got is for scientists ballet

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put off Sturrock and nolan on the record

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saying that they have studied and have

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had it and we have or have had in their

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possession of these anomalous alloys and

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they can't at least a historic in his

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paper from the late nineties wrote he

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could not figure out where this the

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items that he had

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we're manufactured there's obviously

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some other things floating around but

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that is to me anyway a very interesting

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sub aspect somewhat limited in the

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information that we have

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it's a gotten to the point now where I

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would say the proof is sort of in the

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pudding they've got stuff let's see what

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they have to say when they release their

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stuff we know what Double A has said we

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know what Nolan said we know what stork

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said and put off as already said on the

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record for scientists they think they've

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got something grant you're sort of in a

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nutshell sum up of the materials aspect

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of all this yeah that well vali was

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talking about this a little bit earlier

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and so it sort of opened it up there was

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a lot of yes yeah and I had contact in

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the desert II did an hour-long

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presentation yeah and there was a lot of

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rumors started about Bigelow and about

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his you know the altering his you know

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his his facilities there in Las Vegas

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and I knew and that sort of been

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confirmed now was it had really nothing

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to do it's the fact that they suddenly

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moved the Roswell crash to the Bigelow

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Aerospace it was basically the fact that

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he had to update his his facilities to

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handle top-secret sei material in case

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he came his way you needed a skiff that

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he didn't have a skiff and yet that's

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where the alterations took place in

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order to have that contract so there was

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a lot of stuff and there was a lot of

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other rumors I'm just thinking of one

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other rumor that came out and that was

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that a lot of people sort of ignore

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their Washington Post and political but

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they were actually the the big ones it

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was actually the political that got the

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the conch it's a congressional thing

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going and it was the Washington Post guy

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had two Pulitzer Prizes and there was an

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interview I think was done by the guy

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from the the political who've announced

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right as the word go he was interviewed

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the day later by NPR the day or day two

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days later and he basically said there

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was a pilot programs and this is the

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latest sort of rumor that's run out that

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jeremy Korbel has said there's going to

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be at least four programs i heard eight

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programs and this whole idea that this

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is not the only program this is a tip

546
00:23:03,329 --> 00:23:01,389
program and they're gonna drop the bomb

547
00:23:06,389 --> 00:23:03,339
on this but that was being said right on

548
00:23:08,279 --> 00:23:06,399
day one by the guy from from political

549
00:23:08,970 --> 00:23:08,289
and a lot of people just spent all the

550
00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:08,980
time watching

551
00:23:12,390 --> 00:23:10,690
New York Times story and I said actually

552
00:23:14,909 --> 00:23:12,400
in some ways the New York Times is the

553
00:23:16,740 --> 00:23:14,919
last ago they didn't put the story on on

554
00:23:18,780 --> 00:23:16,750
in their newspaper in the print edition

555
00:23:21,390 --> 00:23:18,790
until until the Sunday morning on the

556
00:23:23,700 --> 00:23:21,400
17th and so in some ways it was it was

557
00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:23,710
there were all the same time but in some

558
00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:25,090
ways the New York Times is the last to

559
00:23:30,120 --> 00:23:26,770
go and people I don't think have given

560
00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:30,130
enough reading of the other articles

561
00:23:32,820 --> 00:23:31,090
that were done by the other two News

562
00:23:34,860 --> 00:23:32,830
major newspapers that carried that story

563
00:23:36,750 --> 00:23:34,870
that day and that the New Yorker had

564
00:23:38,909 --> 00:23:36,760
electra follow up by they sat down with

565
00:23:40,470 --> 00:23:38,919
harry reid that was a good article there

566
00:23:42,060 --> 00:23:40,480
were quite a few other good articles

567
00:23:45,450 --> 00:23:42,070
that bless the story out a little bit

568
00:23:47,789 --> 00:23:45,460
but moving along i on day one the bomb

569
00:23:50,220 --> 00:23:47,799
drops then on day two it was the easiest

570
00:23:53,820 --> 00:23:50,230
prediction in the world that the the

571
00:23:56,190 --> 00:23:53,830
foia requests would start and there be

572
00:23:57,659 --> 00:23:56,200
an avalanche of FOIA requests that was

573
00:23:58,860 --> 00:23:57,669
the easiest prediction in the world to

574
00:24:02,400 --> 00:23:58,870
make it in terms of what's going to

575
00:24:06,830 --> 00:24:02,410
happen next and one of the key stories

576
00:24:10,260 --> 00:24:06,840
of this is in terms of FOIA requests a

577
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:10,270
lot of researchers ran into a brick wall

578
00:24:13,310 --> 00:24:12,010
and quite frankly they weren't too happy

579
00:24:18,270 --> 00:24:13,320
about it

580
00:24:20,909 --> 00:24:18,280
anybody have any comments on that i can

581
00:24:22,980 --> 00:24:20,919
make a comment I immediately went to to

582
00:24:24,690 --> 00:24:22,990
Damon steer Danish here was the guy who

583
00:24:26,940 --> 00:24:24,700
asked Hillary Clinton a UFO question

584
00:24:28,409 --> 00:24:26,950
when Podesta said ask Hillary about the

585
00:24:30,090 --> 00:24:28,419
aliens he was the first guy from New

586
00:24:32,490 --> 00:24:30,100
Hampshire to ask Hillary the question I

587
00:24:34,260 --> 00:24:32,500
immediately went after him and I said

588
00:24:35,460 --> 00:24:34,270
file enough away let's get you the way

589
00:24:37,500 --> 00:24:35,470
this game is played you got to get in

590
00:24:38,970 --> 00:24:37,510
the front of the line and he phoned and

591
00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:38,980
that's when I started to realize it's

592
00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:40,450
the same game they've been playing for

593
00:24:44,370 --> 00:24:42,610
50 years he comes back to me and he said

594
00:24:46,799 --> 00:24:44,380
I talk he he didn't know where they

595
00:24:49,020 --> 00:24:46,809
should file a boy how should do it sir

596
00:24:50,700 --> 00:24:49,030
stuff I said just file just gonna do

597
00:24:53,370 --> 00:24:50,710
what she can to file a thing get in and

598
00:24:55,049 --> 00:24:53,380
get in the front of the line and so he

599
00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:55,059
phoned the Pentagon to find out what the

600
00:25:00,030 --> 00:24:56,530
procedure who he should be talking to

601
00:25:01,919 --> 00:25:00,040
and he was told by the Pentagon I can

602
00:25:04,169 --> 00:25:01,929
tell I can assure you mr. steer we do

603
00:25:05,700 --> 00:25:04,179
not we did not release any videos and as

604
00:25:07,380 --> 00:25:05,710
soon as I heard that and he came back

605
00:25:08,940 --> 00:25:07,390
with that I got other they're doing the

606
00:25:10,380 --> 00:25:08,950
same thing again it's this plausible

607
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:10,390
deniability thing you drop it out there

608
00:25:13,950 --> 00:25:12,010
but nobody's gonna confirm it and that

609
00:25:16,010 --> 00:25:13,960
basically got verified by the fact that

610
00:25:19,270 --> 00:25:16,020
you know the Washington Post used

611
00:25:22,430 --> 00:25:19,280
aviation political used aviation

612
00:25:24,590 --> 00:25:22,440
time's use aerospace and you started to

613
00:25:25,669 --> 00:25:24,600
see this this game where you couldn't

614
00:25:28,100 --> 00:25:25,679
get the documents you couldn't get the

615
00:25:29,539 --> 00:25:28,110
videos and everybody's running around

616
00:25:31,159 --> 00:25:29,549
bumping into each other accusing each

617
00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:31,169
other of you know getting the wrong name

618
00:25:35,900 --> 00:25:32,850
and all this kind of stuff and it was

619
00:25:37,220 --> 00:25:35,910
you drop it into the public but you you

620
00:25:39,740 --> 00:25:37,230
throw mud in the water while you're

621
00:25:41,210 --> 00:25:39,750
doing it and everybody can't confirm

622
00:25:44,030 --> 00:25:41,220
that this is for real and the story gets

623
00:25:46,010 --> 00:25:44,040
out well one way to get around the foyer

624
00:25:47,210 --> 00:25:46,020
requests of course is to ask direct

625
00:25:52,490 --> 00:25:47,220
questions to the people directly

626
00:25:54,799 --> 00:25:52,500
involved and in February roughly 60 days

627
00:25:58,250 --> 00:25:54,809
after the story broke and roughly which

628
00:26:01,580 --> 00:25:58,260
was roughly 60 days after the initial to

629
00:26:05,230 --> 00:26:01,590
the Stars Academy rollout a presentation

630
00:26:09,020 --> 00:26:05,240
that they did it was a Lewis Elizondo

631
00:26:11,450 --> 00:26:09,030
was slated to appear at the UFO Congress

632
00:26:13,730 --> 00:26:11,460
he was going to be there live in person

633
00:26:16,430 --> 00:26:13,740
and people leading up to that were

634
00:26:17,690 --> 00:26:16,440
thinking great 60 days had he's gonna

635
00:26:20,870 --> 00:26:17,700
bring something he's not going to go to

636
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:20,880
the UFO Congress empty-handed but he's

637
00:26:22,610 --> 00:26:22,410
gonna have another bombshell for all of

638
00:26:24,620 --> 00:26:22,620
us

639
00:26:28,220 --> 00:26:24,630
but that is not exactly what happened

640
00:26:30,620 --> 00:26:28,230
does it grant camera yeah well that

641
00:26:33,140 --> 00:26:30,630
that's what I had heard we had um we had

642
00:26:35,750 --> 00:26:33,150
been involved with semi van there was a

643
00:26:37,070 --> 00:26:35,760
set up with some van and when Lewton

644
00:26:38,150 --> 00:26:37,080
melinda leslie my friend she told me

645
00:26:39,530 --> 00:26:38,160
this was interview is gonna take place

646
00:26:42,590 --> 00:26:39,540
and what do you want to ask him and all

647
00:26:46,010 --> 00:26:42,600
her stuff and what he told her was that

648
00:26:47,990 --> 00:26:46,020
the reason that lou didn't go to the

649
00:26:50,120 --> 00:26:48,000
congress is because john alexander had

650
00:26:52,100 --> 00:26:50,130
said there's no point in you going there

651
00:26:53,900 --> 00:26:52,110
because you're just gonna get asked a

652
00:26:55,130 --> 00:26:53,910
bunch of hardball questions and when you

653
00:26:57,470 --> 00:26:55,140
answer them nobody's gonna believe you

654
00:27:00,830 --> 00:26:57,480
anyway and so when they first started

655
00:27:02,090 --> 00:27:00,840
they started this this game of you

656
00:27:03,470 --> 00:27:02,100
couldn't get anybody for an interview i

657
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:03,480
know a lot of people are asking me for

658
00:27:07,970 --> 00:27:05,250
podcasts can you put me a link with

659
00:27:09,169 --> 00:27:07,980
these people and they were doing CNN and

660
00:27:11,419 --> 00:27:09,179
all these but these people don't know

661
00:27:14,030 --> 00:27:11,429
what's going on they would not do any to

662
00:27:15,980 --> 00:27:14,040
say like you or like you know some of

663
00:27:17,450 --> 00:27:15,990
the people that are doing podcasts who

664
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:17,460
are gonna ask all sorts of really

665
00:27:21,350 --> 00:27:19,410
difficult questions and so for the first

666
00:27:22,490 --> 00:27:21,360
while they played the game where you

667
00:27:25,610 --> 00:27:22,500
couldn't get anybody for an interview

668
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:25,620
and that's where why Lou didn't from

669
00:27:29,330 --> 00:27:26,970
what I was told Lou didn't show up as he

670
00:27:31,930 --> 00:27:29,340
was basically told not to yeah well he

671
00:27:33,639 --> 00:27:31,940
did yeah he did I video

672
00:27:35,230 --> 00:27:33,649
interview with George Knapp where I

673
00:27:36,730 --> 00:27:35,240
basically Georgia I ran some

674
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:36,740
pre-screened questions at him that's

675
00:27:39,879 --> 00:27:38,570
what actually ended up happening yeah

676
00:27:42,460 --> 00:27:39,889
and that that's where you come into this

677
00:27:44,289 --> 00:27:42,470
society is there embedded journalists so

678
00:27:46,029 --> 00:27:44,299
I mean they they're going to certain

679
00:27:48,340 --> 00:27:46,039
people so they're going to let the cane

680
00:27:52,990 --> 00:27:48,350
they're going to you know George Knapp

681
00:27:54,549 --> 00:27:53,000
they're going to Jeremy Korbel and stuff

682
00:27:56,950 --> 00:27:54,559
but other researchers they're not

683
00:27:58,360 --> 00:27:56,960
they're not or other reporters they're

684
00:28:00,549 --> 00:27:58,370
not dealing with and that's what they

685
00:28:02,619 --> 00:28:00,559
they will always do and even with now

686
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:02,629
what you see now is is their briefing

687
00:28:05,830 --> 00:28:04,129
certain people I mean James tells a

688
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:05,840
story about somebody I'm friend of mine

689
00:28:09,190 --> 00:28:07,850
was briefed John John Burroughs talks

690
00:28:10,690 --> 00:28:09,200
about being briefed that they're

691
00:28:12,430 --> 00:28:10,700
actually going to certain researchers

692
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:12,440
and briefing them as to what's about to

693
00:28:15,909 --> 00:28:13,730
happen what's going to come and that

694
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:15,919
sort of stuff and it's that sort of

695
00:28:22,570 --> 00:28:20,330
carefully trying to manage the story do

696
00:28:24,759 --> 00:28:22,580
the PR thing which I guess DeLong as

697
00:28:26,799 --> 00:28:24,769
part of is how do you roll the story out

698
00:28:29,379 --> 00:28:26,809
without having it sort of blow up in

699
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:29,389
your face well I'm gonna jump ahead to a

700
00:28:33,879 --> 00:28:31,490
July I'm gonna we'll go back to

701
00:28:34,869 --> 00:28:33,889
chronological order but later on in the

702
00:28:36,970 --> 00:28:34,879
year in July

703
00:28:38,799 --> 00:28:36,980
Elizondo was booked essentially to do

704
00:28:42,220 --> 00:28:38,809
the same thing at the MUFON national

705
00:28:44,230 --> 00:28:42,230
conference in New Jersey and he did show

706
00:28:46,570 --> 00:28:44,240
up for that he did appear live he did

707
00:28:49,110 --> 00:28:46,580
take questions some very tough ones

708
00:28:52,269 --> 00:28:49,120
including from Professor Kevin Knuth

709
00:28:55,110 --> 00:28:52,279
physics professor from SUNY Albany

710
00:28:57,519 --> 00:28:55,120
you took live questions he hung in there

711
00:28:59,590 --> 00:28:57,529
any thoughts on why there might have

712
00:29:01,360 --> 00:28:59,600
been a change in that strategy because

713
00:29:03,580 --> 00:29:01,370
he did exactly what he said he was going

714
00:29:06,580 --> 00:29:03,590
to do but then didn't at the last minute

715
00:29:08,499 --> 00:29:06,590
back in February for the UFO Congress he

716
00:29:11,590 --> 00:29:08,509
talked he was live and he delivered that

717
00:29:13,149 --> 00:29:11,600
the MUFON national conference well I can

718
00:29:15,850 --> 00:29:13,159
make I can make one comment and let

719
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:15,860
other people answer it he was pulled

720
00:29:18,820 --> 00:29:17,330
though his story you may not know is

721
00:29:23,710 --> 00:29:18,830
that they were gonna do a fundraiser

722
00:29:25,090 --> 00:29:23,720
event at MUFON and he was pulled like a

723
00:29:27,310 --> 00:29:25,100
couple of minutes before this thing it

724
00:29:29,499 --> 00:29:27,320
began Tom DeLonge phoned up and said

725
00:29:31,749 --> 00:29:29,509
we're not going to do a pay-to-play and

726
00:29:33,100 --> 00:29:31,759
he's to be pulled he's not to do this

727
00:29:34,659 --> 00:29:33,110
thing and they said well it's really

728
00:29:36,549 --> 00:29:34,669
good nothing do it to the stars this

729
00:29:38,049 --> 00:29:36,559
just a fundraiser for MUFON and that

730
00:29:41,409 --> 00:29:38,059
event he did not attend so there still

731
00:29:45,700 --> 00:29:41,419
was some control over who he talked to

732
00:29:48,730 --> 00:29:45,710
and what he said God uh then that's a

733
00:29:50,830 --> 00:29:48,740
time passed and in March out comes an

734
00:29:53,669 --> 00:29:50,840
opinion piece from Christopher Mellon

735
00:29:57,760 --> 00:29:53,679
former Undersecretary of Defense and

736
00:30:00,310 --> 00:29:57,770
also working for the to the stars

737
00:30:04,139 --> 00:30:00,320
Academy now he writes a very lengthy

738
00:30:05,919 --> 00:30:04,149
piece in The Washington Post and also

739
00:30:08,710 --> 00:30:05,929
simultaneously with all that an

740
00:30:12,340 --> 00:30:08,720
additional third video comes out the

741
00:30:14,230 --> 00:30:12,350
go-fast video and does anyone have any

742
00:30:17,470 --> 00:30:14,240
thoughts on the the Mellon piece and

743
00:30:20,919 --> 00:30:17,480
everything around that well what if

744
00:30:23,350 --> 00:30:20,929
Mellon points points his Washington Post

745
00:30:25,810 --> 00:30:23,360
article is that multiple US agencies are

746
00:30:27,430 --> 00:30:25,820
not acting concerned or taking the

747
00:30:30,789 --> 00:30:27,440
subject of unidentified aircraft

748
00:30:33,100 --> 00:30:30,799
seriously enough and he also says there

749
00:30:35,350 --> 00:30:33,110
is no Pentagon process for synthesizing

750
00:30:37,450 --> 00:30:35,360
all the observations and military is

751
00:30:40,180 --> 00:30:37,460
making which are all great points

752
00:30:41,950 --> 00:30:40,190
however I do think it's possible the

753
00:30:43,779 --> 00:30:41,960
Pentagon does take these kinds of things

754
00:30:48,010 --> 00:30:43,789
seriously regarding unidentified

755
00:30:50,110 --> 00:30:48,020
aircrafts but they don't share their

756
00:30:53,380 --> 00:30:50,120
concerns or data with every US

757
00:30:55,149 --> 00:30:53,390
Department in other words unless you're

758
00:30:57,399 --> 00:30:55,159
in their circle of the need-to-know you

759
00:31:00,010 --> 00:30:57,409
know air quotes here then you don't need

760
00:31:01,990 --> 00:31:00,020
to the US government has a history of

761
00:31:05,590 --> 00:31:02,000
having undisclosed top-secret

762
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:05,600
departments that other US departments

763
00:31:09,940 --> 00:31:08,210
are and have been unaware of this kind

764
00:31:12,519 --> 00:31:09,950
of coveting of information by the

765
00:31:15,909 --> 00:31:12,529
Pentagon has happened for decades now I

766
00:31:18,220 --> 00:31:15,919
realize Elizondo used to run a Pentagon

767
00:31:20,799 --> 00:31:18,230
intelligence program that examined the

768
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:20,809
evidence of anomalous aircraft but

769
00:31:24,789 --> 00:31:22,850
whatever until they gathered may have

770
00:31:27,909 --> 00:31:24,799
ended up in one of those cleanses

771
00:31:30,279 --> 00:31:27,919
clandestine you know serously run

772
00:31:32,500 --> 00:31:30,289
government agencies one of those

773
00:31:35,799 --> 00:31:32,510
top-secret departments run by the US

774
00:31:37,870 --> 00:31:35,809
Naval Intelligence is area 51 where I

775
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:37,880
believe they would actively take part in

776
00:31:42,490 --> 00:31:39,970
taking any intelligence gathered

777
00:31:44,500 --> 00:31:42,500
part-and-parcel and use it for some of

778
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:44,510
the defense technology and aircrafts we

779
00:31:50,740 --> 00:31:48,770
see today I just want to continue on

780
00:31:53,230 --> 00:31:50,750
here again I think if the US government

781
00:31:55,629 --> 00:31:53,240
takes a time to build these teams to

782
00:31:57,430 --> 00:31:55,639
monitor not only our airspace for

783
00:31:58,930 --> 00:31:57,440
threats of any kind they would most

784
00:32:00,550 --> 00:31:58,940
probably have a

785
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:00,560
apartment dedicated to actively

786
00:32:04,510 --> 00:32:02,650
researching and compiling evidence for

787
00:32:06,430 --> 00:32:04,520
unidentified aircraft

788
00:32:07,660 --> 00:32:06,440
I just don't think melon was privy to

789
00:32:09,490 --> 00:32:07,670
all of these top-secret government

790
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:09,500
agencies you know it's just a guess

791
00:32:15,250 --> 00:32:12,290
otherwise for example what is area 51

792
00:32:18,490 --> 00:32:15,260
for supposedly together we don't

793
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:18,500
understand the physics up God and the

794
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:20,570
go-fast video came out that Dave earlier

795
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:22,850
in the show you had mentioned some of

796
00:32:28,270 --> 00:32:24,970
the the controversy surrounding that

797
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:28,280
won't you tell us your opinions on that

798
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:31,730
go fast video uh yeah and just I'm

799
00:32:35,850 --> 00:32:33,890
circling back to Chris melon you know

800
00:32:38,050 --> 00:32:35,860
one of the things that I thought

801
00:32:40,660 --> 00:32:38,060
immediately was like okay who was this

802
00:32:43,870 --> 00:32:40,670
guy and then I was like oh he's on the

803
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:43,880
former United States Secretary assistant

804
00:32:47,050 --> 00:32:45,290
secretary of defense for intelligence

805
00:32:49,990 --> 00:32:47,060
and then later for security and

806
00:32:52,540 --> 00:32:50,000
information operations so you would

807
00:32:54,970 --> 00:32:52,550
think that he would be the guy that kind

808
00:32:58,030 --> 00:32:54,980
of had the inside scoop and he was

809
00:33:00,760 --> 00:32:58,040
almost pleading frustration saying that

810
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:00,770
nobody wants to be the alien guy in the

811
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:02,690
national security bureaucracy nobody

812
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:04,730
wants to get ridiculed and it has a

813
00:33:09,700 --> 00:33:06,770
serious reoccurring impediment to

814
00:33:12,100 --> 00:33:09,710
progress and it's time you set aside the

815
00:33:13,540 --> 00:33:12,110
taboos and instead listen to the pilots

816
00:33:16,090 --> 00:33:13,550
and radar operators it's almost like he

817
00:33:19,180 --> 00:33:16,100
was pleading with his former colleagues

818
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:19,190
to you know come on let's take this

819
00:33:24,460 --> 00:33:21,290
seriously for once and I don't know if

820
00:33:27,820 --> 00:33:24,470
that's the actual you know overall

821
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:27,830
feeling within the bad office but it

822
00:33:33,690 --> 00:33:30,170
seemed to be from that article so that

823
00:33:36,220 --> 00:33:33,700
was my little take on it now go fast

824
00:33:39,970 --> 00:33:36,230
that was the one that was released by to

825
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:39,980
the stars correct that wasn't released

826
00:33:44,170 --> 00:33:42,770
in the initial well yeah well it got out

827
00:33:46,870 --> 00:33:44,180
the same day that the Mellon's story

828
00:33:50,140 --> 00:33:46,880
came out you know who actually releases

829
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:50,150
these and yeah to me Ivan to be honest

830
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:51,530
with you follow that closely I rely on

831
00:33:56,140 --> 00:33:54,530
you guys to fill me in on all those

832
00:33:58,870 --> 00:33:56,150
details I tell you the proof is in the

833
00:34:00,850 --> 00:33:58,880
pudding I think so I think that that one

834
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:00,860
was the one that was kind of first

835
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:02,690
broadcast on their website on their

836
00:34:07,450 --> 00:34:05,690
community of interest website and the

837
00:34:09,340 --> 00:34:07,460
initial people that were looking at it I

838
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:09,350
mean there was a lot of the debunkers

839
00:34:13,540 --> 00:34:11,810
like mixed rest I was saying

840
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:13,550
it was a parallax effect that he thought

841
00:34:18,550 --> 00:34:16,490
it was a bird mm-hmm right he thought it

842
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:18,560
was a bird or some type of balloon and

843
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:21,530
there there's a surprising lack of

844
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:24,650
information in these FLIR videos it's

845
00:34:29,770 --> 00:34:27,650
very very difficult to do the image

846
00:34:32,350 --> 00:34:29,780
analysis and try to figure out the

847
00:34:35,740 --> 00:34:32,360
actual position of the CH at the speed

848
00:34:38,290 --> 00:34:35,750
of the jet and then doing the the math

849
00:34:40,510 --> 00:34:38,300
and you know to actually come up with

850
00:34:44,590 --> 00:34:40,520
the size and space of this object or

851
00:34:47,590 --> 00:34:44,600
seeing from what I gather is the latest

852
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:47,600
information if they believe that the jet

853
00:34:53,170 --> 00:34:49,610
was probably traveling at about 370

854
00:34:56,260 --> 00:34:53,180
knots and on a pretty straight course

855
00:34:57,790 --> 00:34:56,270
and that the go-fast object may have

856
00:35:01,660 --> 00:34:57,800
been an object that could have been

857
00:35:03,940 --> 00:35:01,670
about six feet seven lengths and may

858
00:35:06,790 --> 00:35:03,950
have been traveling at a rate of 70

859
00:35:08,740 --> 00:35:06,800
miles an hour so well yeah that fits

860
00:35:11,980 --> 00:35:08,750
well into a bird every night that could

861
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:11,990
definitely be a big sea bird yes but I

862
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:14,450
believe there's an acceleration that's

863
00:35:19,180 --> 00:35:17,210
unaccounted for Frank so you know bird

864
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:19,190
might not go be able to go to that speed

865
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:23,330
that fast from a you know but again it's

866
00:35:27,100 --> 00:35:25,370
not the greatest video is a proof of

867
00:35:28,240 --> 00:35:27,110
anything unfortunately I think you have

868
00:35:30,970 --> 00:35:28,250
to take everything else into

869
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:30,980
consideration so right right now there

870
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:33,290
were two videos released the previous

871
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:34,850
December which we've talked about though

872
00:35:40,300 --> 00:35:37,370
the one is tied to the Nimitz case the

873
00:35:45,310 --> 00:35:40,310
other is not and listening to the sound

874
00:35:47,500 --> 00:35:45,320
on that that is the the gimbal the the

875
00:35:53,460 --> 00:35:47,510
FLIR is the video tied to the Nimitz

876
00:35:56,230 --> 00:35:53,470
case unless I've got that wrong I guess

877
00:35:59,830 --> 00:35:56,240
there's audio on go-fast an audio on

878
00:36:02,320 --> 00:35:59,840
gimble right right right and it seems to

879
00:36:04,690 --> 00:36:02,330
me that is the exact same voice on both

880
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:04,700
of those videos that fellow who says my

881
00:36:11,170 --> 00:36:08,090
gosh and you believe that those two are

882
00:36:14,410 --> 00:36:11,180
connected to this Florida coast incident

883
00:36:16,420 --> 00:36:14,420
in 2015 is that correct Davis yeah I

884
00:36:18,430 --> 00:36:16,430
mean we're pretty sure I mean we don't

885
00:36:21,340 --> 00:36:18,440
have definitive evidence of witness

886
00:36:24,340 --> 00:36:21,350
testimony that those two videos are from

887
00:36:25,630 --> 00:36:24,350
that same incident but that's the same

888
00:36:27,279 --> 00:36:25,640
the voice is exactly

889
00:36:30,009 --> 00:36:27,289
same it's the same guy using the same

890
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:30,019
expression I would love to get like some

891
00:36:34,930 --> 00:36:32,690
kind of voice analysis expert that is

892
00:36:36,549 --> 00:36:34,940
used in forensic cases that would be

893
00:36:38,349 --> 00:36:36,559
cold Oh like if they could definitively

894
00:36:39,910 --> 00:36:38,359
say out that's the same guy because I'm

895
00:36:46,089 --> 00:36:39,920
not sure but maybe it is you know it

896
00:36:49,410 --> 00:36:46,099
sounds like it to me anyway point out

897
00:36:52,630 --> 00:36:49,420
Frank is regarding that go fast video

898
00:36:55,420 --> 00:36:52,640
the TTS a on their website does indicate

899
00:36:57,759 --> 00:36:55,430
that they were the first in a copy of it

900
00:36:59,769 --> 00:36:57,769
but that if anybody wants to get it they

901
00:37:04,930 --> 00:36:59,779
have to go ahead and file a FOIA request

902
00:37:07,630 --> 00:37:04,940
work okay okay and you know it's the UFO

903
00:37:10,450 --> 00:37:07,640
field so yeah of course we have to have

904
00:37:14,859 --> 00:37:10,460
some drama you know always always the

905
00:37:16,150 --> 00:37:14,869
drama also in March the Gary Nolan

906
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:16,160
Atacama

907
00:37:24,759 --> 00:37:21,170
mummy study was properly published that

908
00:37:27,609 --> 00:37:24,769
story goes back a little ways initially

909
00:37:31,089 --> 00:37:27,619
it got a lot of attention as a segment

910
00:37:34,749 --> 00:37:31,099
of Steven Greer's serious documentary at

911
00:37:36,670 --> 00:37:34,759
that time Nolan was able to do some

912
00:37:39,809 --> 00:37:36,680
preliminary studies and certainly

913
00:37:44,220 --> 00:37:39,819
determined that the remains were human

914
00:37:46,720 --> 00:37:44,230
but well I shouldn't say but Greer

915
00:37:49,779 --> 00:37:46,730
basically used those preliminary

916
00:37:52,809 --> 00:37:49,789
findings I gave Gary about five minutes

917
00:37:54,970 --> 00:37:52,819
of his own to go through them and that

918
00:37:59,650 --> 00:37:54,980
was the last that the attic camera mummy

919
00:38:01,960 --> 00:37:59,660
was mentioned in that movie they sort of

920
00:38:04,329 --> 00:38:01,970
attacked it in bits and pieces and my

921
00:38:05,890 --> 00:38:04,339
led up to that and basically no one said

922
00:38:08,829 --> 00:38:05,900
now it's human it's not an alien

923
00:38:11,499 --> 00:38:08,839
whatsoever but this study comes out and

924
00:38:13,809 --> 00:38:11,509
that Greer decides to a jump all over it

925
00:38:16,210 --> 00:38:13,819
starts making claims about the integrity

926
00:38:19,499 --> 00:38:16,220
of Stanford University and about Nolan

927
00:38:21,490 --> 00:38:19,509
in particular and my understanding is

928
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:21,500
there were a lot of people who were very

929
00:38:25,900 --> 00:38:23,930
unhappy over all that but not just Gary

930
00:38:28,779 --> 00:38:25,910
Nolan they weren't happy about that at

931
00:38:31,930 --> 00:38:28,789
all but Greer kind of stuck to his guns

932
00:38:34,420 --> 00:38:31,940
in that kept ripping and also excited

933
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:34,430
that he had information criticisms from

934
00:38:39,250 --> 00:38:38,450
a pioneer in DNA research from Caltech

935
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:39,260
who

936
00:38:45,460 --> 00:38:43,490
basically tech to death the process that

937
00:38:47,079 --> 00:38:45,470
they use my feeling is there's no

938
00:38:51,220 --> 00:38:47,089
question in my mind it's a human being

939
00:38:55,710 --> 00:38:51,230
and unfortunate a fetus that suffered

940
00:38:57,970 --> 00:38:55,720
all manner of apparently genetic defects

941
00:39:00,579 --> 00:38:57,980
to me there's no question about that in

942
00:39:03,420 --> 00:39:00,589
my mind but that greer suddenly even

943
00:39:05,980 --> 00:39:03,430
after allowing nolan to do his

944
00:39:08,140 --> 00:39:05,990
presentation during the serious

945
00:39:09,130 --> 00:39:08,150
documentary coming out and saying that

946
00:39:13,270 --> 00:39:09,140
is ridiculous

947
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:13,280
my feeling is that that that the the

948
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:16,970
Caltech DNA pioneer researcher was a

949
00:39:21,910 --> 00:39:19,970
fella by the name of Horace drew he does

950
00:39:25,930 --> 00:39:21,920
fit the profile as far as being at

951
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:25,940
Caltech researching DNA also he's pretty

952
00:39:30,339 --> 00:39:28,010
well left the field he relocated to

953
00:39:33,730 --> 00:39:30,349
Australia and has become a crop circle

954
00:39:35,770 --> 00:39:33,740
research researcher he fits the profile

955
00:39:38,650 --> 00:39:35,780
and it seems to me like he would be the

956
00:39:41,140 --> 00:39:38,660
guy I've never heard any other name put

957
00:39:43,839 --> 00:39:41,150
out there as possibly being a better fit

958
00:39:46,359 --> 00:39:43,849
for Greer's description but that created

959
00:39:49,720 --> 00:39:46,369
some drama I grant that did you have any

960
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:49,730
thoughts about all that I'm not quite as

961
00:39:55,720 --> 00:39:51,890
sure about the whole analysis that you

962
00:39:58,569 --> 00:39:55,730
have there was a there was a a number of

963
00:40:02,260 --> 00:39:58,579
things number one various connection to

964
00:40:04,690 --> 00:40:02,270
Pandolfi I interviewed this woman from

965
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:04,700
Spain who was involved when they did the

966
00:40:09,609 --> 00:40:06,650
DNA thing she was talking about these

967
00:40:11,530 --> 00:40:09,619
live beings that people had you may know

968
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:11,540
the Russians had one that was on video

969
00:40:16,780 --> 00:40:14,210
they had a similar being and it goes

970
00:40:19,089 --> 00:40:16,790
back to this thing where all these

971
00:40:22,180 --> 00:40:19,099
things they they really seemed to

972
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:22,190
unravel and then somebody else hoax and

973
00:40:25,569 --> 00:40:23,930
every runs for the hills and they just

974
00:40:28,870 --> 00:40:25,579
everybody just runs on to the next story

975
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:28,880
there was eight people on that release

976
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:31,970
of that paper saying that it was that it

977
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:35,210
was a human fetus not all of the people

978
00:40:40,990 --> 00:40:38,810
agreed and you also had the situation

979
00:40:45,150 --> 00:40:41,000
where there was all these rumors stories

980
00:40:47,950 --> 00:40:45,160
where Nolan had phoned and and told this

981
00:40:49,630 --> 00:40:47,960
the guy that claimed that 3,000 alien

982
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:49,640
autopsy things that that they were going

983
00:40:52,569 --> 00:40:50,930
to alter the numbers that we were

984
00:40:55,089 --> 00:40:52,579
changing the numbers were

985
00:40:58,059 --> 00:40:55,099
we're putting this from Mary Smith Emory

986
00:40:59,709 --> 00:40:58,069
Emory Smith so Emory Smith is on that

987
00:41:00,999 --> 00:40:59,719
paper as well his name is on that final

988
00:41:02,499 --> 00:41:01,009
release to the paper he didn't agree

989
00:41:05,049 --> 00:41:02,509
with that it's one of these things oh

990
00:41:06,699 --> 00:41:05,059
yeah yeah yeah but grant that Emory

991
00:41:10,269 --> 00:41:06,709
Smith I did get a credit on it

992
00:41:14,169 --> 00:41:10,279
he took the photograph of the remains

993
00:41:19,059 --> 00:41:14,179
you got a fun to pull the DNA from the

994
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:19,069
body instead yeah yes yes yes but well

995
00:41:22,479 --> 00:41:21,170
he doesn't agree it's it's it's one of

996
00:41:24,279 --> 00:41:22,489
these things where it's just a big

997
00:41:25,449 --> 00:41:24,289
controversy and one of the things is

998
00:41:27,069 --> 00:41:25,459
like with the videos the same thing of

999
00:41:28,870 --> 00:41:27,079
the videos as soon as I heard the noise

1000
00:41:30,849 --> 00:41:28,880
this vacuum cleaner noise I phoned John

1001
00:41:33,459 --> 00:41:30,859
earlier I said John does they have this

1002
00:41:36,249 --> 00:41:33,469
kind of noise in an jet if you've got a

1003
00:41:38,259 --> 00:41:36,259
mask on if you're sealed off and the

1004
00:41:40,269 --> 00:41:38,269
voice and then Ron Pandolfi said this

1005
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:40,279
was done in front of a simulator he

1006
00:41:44,169 --> 00:41:42,170
immediately said as soon as that I am

1007
00:41:46,569 --> 00:41:44,179
December 16th as soon as I went there he

1008
00:41:47,289 --> 00:41:46,579
said the video is a hoax the whole

1009
00:41:49,419 --> 00:41:47,299
thing's a hoax

1010
00:41:51,099 --> 00:41:49,429
and it's the same game that they're

1011
00:41:53,229 --> 00:41:51,109
playing all the time as is they release

1012
00:41:54,999 --> 00:41:53,239
it if they wanted to convince the UFO

1013
00:41:56,289 --> 00:41:55,009
community they would release the whole

1014
00:41:57,880 --> 00:41:56,299
video they would give you the stuff

1015
00:41:59,199 --> 00:41:57,890
there they're not trying to convince you

1016
00:42:01,179 --> 00:41:59,209
of whole community in fact this whole

1017
00:42:03,370 --> 00:42:01,189
thing as I said the UFO community has

1018
00:42:05,469 --> 00:42:03,380
been fired they couldn't care less about

1019
00:42:08,109 --> 00:42:05,479
whether you or I or anybody believes

1020
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:08,119
these videos the videos are there just

1021
00:42:10,630 --> 00:42:09,650
to impress the public that's why they

1022
00:42:12,519 --> 00:42:10,640
went to the New York Times and

1023
00:42:14,529 --> 00:42:12,529
Washington Post and political instead of

1024
00:42:16,569 --> 00:42:14,539
coming to the UFO community is they're

1025
00:42:18,549 --> 00:42:16,579
trying to shift the swing voters in the

1026
00:42:19,630 --> 00:42:18,559
population in order to get money from

1027
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:19,640
Congress think it couldn't care less

1028
00:42:23,019 --> 00:42:21,650
what you and I if they wanted you and I

1029
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:23,029
to believe the whole thing they would

1030
00:42:26,829 --> 00:42:25,130
actually fill in the blanks and give us

1031
00:42:28,419 --> 00:42:26,839
all the data they wouldn't release these

1032
00:42:31,089 --> 00:42:28,429
little snippets of videos that have

1033
00:42:33,069 --> 00:42:31,099
bizarre little voices on them and noise

1034
00:42:34,509 --> 00:42:33,079
and stuff like that to me it's the same

1035
00:42:36,219 --> 00:42:34,519
game they've been playing all the time

1036
00:42:37,599 --> 00:42:36,229
it's this sort of you put it out it's

1037
00:42:40,029 --> 00:42:37,609
half true half false

1038
00:42:42,009 --> 00:42:40,039
there's also some little things and the

1039
00:42:43,329 --> 00:42:42,019
skeptics will pick up on it and jump on

1040
00:42:45,069 --> 00:42:43,339
the story and everybody will run away

1041
00:42:46,569 --> 00:42:45,079
from the story and it just sort of gets

1042
00:42:48,099 --> 00:42:46,579
out there and bounces around which is I

1043
00:42:50,410 --> 00:42:48,109
think is exactly what they wanted to do

1044
00:42:53,859 --> 00:42:50,420
I grant that you did that interview with

1045
00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:53,869
with weir and I didn't have it my notes

1046
00:43:00,120 --> 00:42:56,650
but I'm glad you brought it up because

1047
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:00,130
he made a couple of points there about

1048
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:03,170
the the slow speed of the Jets how they

1049
00:43:08,950 --> 00:43:06,290
can top out at 1,800 miles an hour

1050
00:43:10,750 --> 00:43:08,960
and well that is true but every time

1051
00:43:13,240 --> 00:43:10,760
they're off the carrier deck they're not

1052
00:43:15,940 --> 00:43:13,250
ramping it up to full speed he also made

1053
00:43:18,010 --> 00:43:15,950
some criticisms of pilots not talking

1054
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:18,020
that way Dave you're pretty what pretty

1055
00:43:22,300 --> 00:43:19,490
well plugged in down to some of those

1056
00:43:26,170 --> 00:43:22,310
guys did you see leaders a criticisms of

1057
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:26,180
the video and what are your thoughts on

1058
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:29,210
all that you know I haven't seen his

1059
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:30,890
criticism unfortunately I'd love to read

1060
00:43:36,720 --> 00:43:33,890
that you know in my research basically

1061
00:43:40,210 --> 00:43:36,730
involved going and trying to find other

1062
00:43:42,730 --> 00:43:40,220
videos that are out there other you know

1063
00:43:46,060 --> 00:43:42,740
recordings of carrier operations and so

1064
00:43:49,060 --> 00:43:46,070
on most of what you find out there is it

1065
00:43:51,940 --> 00:43:49,070
would be radio transmissions on their

1066
00:43:53,770 --> 00:43:51,950
networks and you know when they're

1067
00:43:56,620 --> 00:43:53,780
talking officially that way they're not

1068
00:43:58,480 --> 00:43:56,630
using that language but it's my

1069
00:44:00,460 --> 00:43:58,490
understanding that the intercom is what

1070
00:44:03,310 --> 00:44:00,470
we're hearing on those videos and that

1071
00:44:05,530 --> 00:44:03,320
would be the in terms plane intercoms it

1072
00:44:07,720 --> 00:44:05,540
would be the pilot talking to the

1073
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:07,730
weapons system officer in the back so

1074
00:44:13,180 --> 00:44:10,970
they're much more informal in it if it

1075
00:44:15,790 --> 00:44:13,190
could be real you know I I'm not saying

1076
00:44:17,860 --> 00:44:15,800
that this wasn't a some type of audio

1077
00:44:20,650 --> 00:44:17,870
lake that grant mentioned it was made up

1078
00:44:23,140 --> 00:44:20,660
you know that if that's a real concern

1079
00:44:25,330 --> 00:44:23,150
but I think it's possible that that was

1080
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:25,340
an intercom recording between two pilots

1081
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:27,530
that never in their wildest dreams you

1082
00:44:30,610 --> 00:44:29,210
know like we're thinking oh this is

1083
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:30,620
going to be all over the world exactly

1084
00:44:35,020 --> 00:44:31,970
what we're saying you know right now

1085
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:35,030
dropping f-bombs and so on and so David

1086
00:44:40,210 --> 00:44:37,490
question yeah

1087
00:44:41,860 --> 00:44:40,220
I wanted to clarify did those jets that

1088
00:44:44,170 --> 00:44:41,870
took the video did they come off the

1089
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:44,180
carrier did they come the coast one of

1090
00:44:48,460 --> 00:44:46,490
the stories was that the first jets went

1091
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:48,470
back to the carrier and then they sent

1092
00:44:52,780 --> 00:44:50,570
the two jets from the coast from an Air

1093
00:44:55,260 --> 00:44:52,790
Force Base on the coast to intercept and

1094
00:44:59,050 --> 00:44:55,270
they got the video you know the

1095
00:45:02,010 --> 00:44:59,060
unfortunately the the video go fast and

1096
00:45:05,020 --> 00:45:02,020
gimble it has never been you know

1097
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:05,030
basically proven where these were taken

1098
00:45:08,530 --> 00:45:07,130
that you said off the east coast of the

1099
00:45:11,770 --> 00:45:08,540
United States I'm talking about the

1100
00:45:14,380 --> 00:45:11,780
Nimitz what okay the Nimitz won there's

1101
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:14,390
no audio on that than that for one thing

1102
00:45:18,430 --> 00:45:16,370
and then the other thing is those Jets

1103
00:45:21,039 --> 00:45:18,440
all came off of Nimitz including the

1104
00:45:24,579 --> 00:45:21,049
Marine Corps aviation jet

1105
00:45:25,870 --> 00:45:24,589
with lieutenant Kirk he was to one of

1106
00:45:27,549 --> 00:45:25,880
the first guys on the scene you didn't

1107
00:45:30,220 --> 00:45:27,559
see the tic-tac he saw the disturbance

1108
00:45:31,569 --> 00:45:30,230
but they were all you know from my

1109
00:45:34,509 --> 00:45:31,579
understanding and all the research I've

1110
00:45:37,829 --> 00:45:34,519
done they were out there doing tailored

1111
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:37,839
ship training complex training and

1112
00:45:43,900 --> 00:45:39,890
during that month in November and they

1113
00:45:46,299 --> 00:45:43,910
all came off the Nimitz carrier okay now

1114
00:45:48,970 --> 00:45:46,309
moving along to April a kind of a slow

1115
00:45:51,940 --> 00:45:48,980
month except for one thing happened the

1116
00:45:54,309 --> 00:45:51,950
UFO news network Sunday show premiered

1117
00:45:57,250 --> 00:45:54,319
on YouTube first week we got off to a

1118
00:46:00,400 --> 00:45:57,260
nice start we had Grant Cameron on a

1119
00:46:03,819 --> 00:46:00,410
second week we added to that and we had

1120
00:46:05,500 --> 00:46:03,829
Dave Beatty on and I just want to say

1121
00:46:07,390 --> 00:46:05,510
really quick here and I think I'm

1122
00:46:09,309 --> 00:46:07,400
speaking I know that James has said this

1123
00:46:11,410 --> 00:46:09,319
this has been a really huge experience

1124
00:46:14,589 --> 00:46:11,420
for us and thanks to both of you guys

1125
00:46:18,370 --> 00:46:14,599
for coming on before and really making

1126
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:18,380
it easy for us to get started well I

1127
00:46:22,779 --> 00:46:20,930
like to thank you because as I think I

1128
00:46:25,630 --> 00:46:22,789
mentioned last week or whenever you're

1129
00:46:27,460 --> 00:46:25,640
talking that there's always complaint in

1130
00:46:29,289 --> 00:46:27,470
the UFO community this thing about you

1131
00:46:30,759 --> 00:46:29,299
know there's no young people and I think

1132
00:46:33,099 --> 00:46:30,769
you've helped bring in a lot of young

1133
00:46:34,299 --> 00:46:33,109
people who are on top of this whole

1134
00:46:35,009 --> 00:46:34,309
subject who are following it very

1135
00:46:37,509 --> 00:46:35,019
closely

1136
00:46:39,130 --> 00:46:37,519
that's always a major complaint at every

1137
00:46:40,259 --> 00:46:39,140
UFO conference is there's no young

1138
00:46:42,130 --> 00:46:40,269
people here and there's no

1139
00:46:44,259 --> 00:46:42,140
african-americans and it's just all

1140
00:46:46,180 --> 00:46:44,269
these old white haired people and what

1141
00:46:48,039 --> 00:46:46,190
the hell's gonna happen when we're when

1142
00:46:50,289 --> 00:46:48,049
we're gone and I'm glad to see all these

1143
00:46:52,749 --> 00:46:50,299
young people who are really on top of

1144
00:46:55,529 --> 00:46:52,759
this issue and are chasing it and maybe

1145
00:46:58,120 --> 00:46:55,539
will carry the ball once we're gone

1146
00:47:00,609 --> 00:46:58,130
yeah and I'd also like to say thanks

1147
00:47:04,059 --> 00:47:00,619
Frank for inviting me I mean when I

1148
00:47:06,940 --> 00:47:04,069
started writing posting online some of

1149
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:06,950
my viewpoints and I started the the

1150
00:47:11,410 --> 00:47:09,650
group called you know advanced aerospace

1151
00:47:14,170 --> 00:47:11,420
threat identification group on Facebook

1152
00:47:16,539 --> 00:47:14,180
there was not too many people were

1153
00:47:19,089 --> 00:47:16,549
really listening and I think you were

1154
00:47:20,950 --> 00:47:19,099
one of the guys the kind of messaged me

1155
00:47:22,630 --> 00:47:20,960
and said hey Dave what you're saying is

1156
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:22,640
pretty interesting that's kind of you

1157
00:47:26,950 --> 00:47:24,650
know unique and then you follow it up so

1158
00:47:29,769 --> 00:47:26,960
I appreciate the you know that vote of

1159
00:47:31,359 --> 00:47:29,779
confidence and you know I'm also you

1160
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:31,369
know a fan of the other people that are

1161
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:33,410
on on the show and I'm I appreciate the

1162
00:47:36,430 --> 00:47:34,130
opportunity

1163
00:47:38,590 --> 00:47:36,440
absolutely absolutely and I couldn't

1164
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:38,600
agree more grant yeah we've got we've

1165
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:39,890
got a couple rookies here on the

1166
00:47:45,220 --> 00:47:42,170
year-end show so that that says a little

1167
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:45,230
something about our commitment you know

1168
00:47:50,530 --> 00:47:47,570
getting getting some new voices and not

1169
00:47:54,670 --> 00:47:50,540
trying to help him get hurt and moving

1170
00:47:57,910 --> 00:47:54,680
on to May we had very interesting a

1171
00:48:00,730 --> 00:47:57,920
little bit of news maybe one of the the

1172
00:48:03,250 --> 00:48:00,740
first more significant pieces from Paul

1173
00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:03,260
Dean where he revealed that in addition

1174
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:05,570
to this a tip program there was

1175
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:06,890
something of an umbrella organization

1176
00:48:13,930 --> 00:48:10,970
known as AUSA and he got that out there

1177
00:48:15,250 --> 00:48:13,940
and it was huge news we got him on right

1178
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:15,260
away we got him about a day and a half

1179
00:48:20,650 --> 00:48:18,050
after that news broke and he gave us

1180
00:48:22,750 --> 00:48:20,660
pretty much an hour and a half a street

1181
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:22,760
the street scoop on all that how he

1182
00:48:29,260 --> 00:48:25,930
found it what it meant and all that and

1183
00:48:32,650 --> 00:48:29,270
you know it was a fantastic bit of news

1184
00:48:36,940 --> 00:48:32,660
and I know a Dave you're familiar with

1185
00:48:39,130 --> 00:48:36,950
Erik Davis was not too happy about some

1186
00:48:41,290 --> 00:48:39,140
of the the bloggers and some of the

1187
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:41,300
things that were saying and some of the

1188
00:48:46,300 --> 00:48:43,010
things that they were turning up I've

1189
00:48:49,510 --> 00:48:46,310
got a quote here from Eric Rodger

1190
00:48:52,570 --> 00:48:49,520
Glassell a Swedish citizen and Paul Dehn

1191
00:48:54,240 --> 00:48:52,580
our rank amateurs with no demonstrated

1192
00:48:57,040 --> 00:48:54,250
professional record of success in

1193
00:48:59,320 --> 00:48:57,050
scientific intelligence or forensic

1194
00:49:02,560 --> 00:48:59,330
investigations research into anything

1195
00:49:04,540 --> 00:49:02,570
much less the UFO phenomenon quite

1196
00:49:06,820 --> 00:49:04,550
frankly what Paul Dean did was he

1197
00:49:09,060 --> 00:49:06,830
brought the goods he basically scooped

1198
00:49:11,860 --> 00:49:09,070
as a grant referred to a match the the

1199
00:49:14,350 --> 00:49:11,870
to the Stars Academy embedded reporter

1200
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:14,360
George Knapp and I say more power to

1201
00:49:20,410 --> 00:49:18,410
Paul deed he had a great year to one

1202
00:49:22,630 --> 00:49:20,420
comment to that and that goes back to my

1203
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:22,640
contention to 30 years is that this

1204
00:49:25,870 --> 00:49:24,050
thing is she graduated being the leak

1205
00:49:27,010 --> 00:49:25,880
people have the idea of this evil

1206
00:49:29,050 --> 00:49:27,020
government that's trying to cover this

1207
00:49:30,250 --> 00:49:29,060
thing up and Paul Dean proves there

1208
00:49:31,930 --> 00:49:30,260
wasn't because he gets the phone call

1209
00:49:33,670 --> 00:49:31,940
from the Pentagon and the guy says you

1210
00:49:35,590 --> 00:49:33,680
know you know I'm here or I'm here to

1211
00:49:37,750 --> 00:49:35,600
help you you should look at this name

1212
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:37,760
and even after the attack by Erik Davis

1213
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:39,770
it turned out he was right that the name

1214
00:49:43,300 --> 00:49:41,690
that he'd been given by a leak inside

1215
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:43,310
the Pentagon turned out to be right so

1216
00:49:47,170 --> 00:49:45,170
we are getting some help from ins from

1217
00:49:48,010 --> 00:49:47,180
inside people who are sort of not

1218
00:49:49,420 --> 00:49:48,020
telling you the whole

1219
00:49:50,410 --> 00:49:49,430
but sort of directing you and getting

1220
00:49:54,190 --> 00:49:50,420
you in the going in the right direction

1221
00:49:56,680 --> 00:49:54,200
and it's really it's amazing it's an

1222
00:49:59,370 --> 00:49:56,690
it's amazing that um you know we have

1223
00:50:02,800 --> 00:49:59,380
some Australian guys including you know

1224
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:02,810
Keith pastor field as well blocking on

1225
00:50:07,060 --> 00:50:04,970
this in and when I read that I was just

1226
00:50:09,430 --> 00:50:07,070
kind of floored that wow this guy has

1227
00:50:10,750 --> 00:50:09,440
somebody on the inside that is feeding

1228
00:50:13,150 --> 00:50:10,760
him this information it turns out to be

1229
00:50:16,240 --> 00:50:13,160
correct and you know Keith coming up

1230
00:50:17,020 --> 00:50:16,250
with the solicitation for the contract

1231
00:50:20,470 --> 00:50:17,030
and so on

1232
00:50:22,210 --> 00:50:20,480
under a swap yeah you say that so that

1233
00:50:23,950 --> 00:50:22,220
that was great one thing that was

1234
00:50:26,350 --> 00:50:23,960
confusing to be with Eric Davis reaction

1235
00:50:28,510 --> 00:50:26,360
I still don't get this sometimes is you

1236
00:50:30,910 --> 00:50:28,520
know he was saying that these guys that

1237
00:50:34,150 --> 00:50:30,920
had found this we're trying to smear the

1238
00:50:37,630 --> 00:50:34,160
name of T TSA and smear the name of

1239
00:50:40,780 --> 00:50:37,640
Elizondo and the valiant DoD military

1240
00:50:42,220 --> 00:50:40,790
personnel I didn't see that at all I it

1241
00:50:44,620 --> 00:50:42,230
seemed to me more like that they were

1242
00:50:47,260 --> 00:50:44,630
being more helpful to get some of this

1243
00:50:50,620 --> 00:50:47,270
information out but you know I guess if

1244
00:50:53,110 --> 00:50:50,630
it's a scripted play that somebody on

1245
00:50:55,390 --> 00:50:53,120
the outside trying to come in and

1246
00:50:57,760 --> 00:50:55,400
changing the release of information on

1247
00:51:00,490 --> 00:50:57,770
from that script would be viewed as some

1248
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:00,500
kind of adversary you know I'm not sure

1249
00:51:04,930 --> 00:51:02,810
so it'd be interesting to see what Davis

1250
00:51:06,850 --> 00:51:04,940
says now because it turned out it was

1251
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:06,860
right and it was almost like I've known

1252
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:09,770
Eric Davis for 20 years 15 years very

1253
00:51:12,850 --> 00:51:11,210
very sharp guy got a security clearance

1254
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:12,860
and knows a lot of stuff you and I and

1255
00:51:17,290 --> 00:51:15,890
it's almost like he didn't know that he

1256
00:51:18,970 --> 00:51:17,300
wasn't aware of this thing and he had

1257
00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:18,980
jumped on it you know that it was wrong

1258
00:51:22,450 --> 00:51:20,570
and whatever and turned out it was right

1259
00:51:24,100 --> 00:51:22,460
I'd be interested to see what Eric Davis

1260
00:51:26,050 --> 00:51:24,110
has to say now about the fact that a

1261
00:51:27,970 --> 00:51:26,060
stop actually exists and it was actually

1262
00:51:34,510 --> 00:51:27,980
the superior program a tip was the lower

1263
00:51:38,260 --> 00:51:34,520
program right a tip a tip came into

1264
00:51:40,540 --> 00:51:38,270
existence after us a p-- from what I

1265
00:51:43,690 --> 00:51:40,550
read that the former program manager

1266
00:51:46,210 --> 00:51:43,700
actually changed it or created maybe a

1267
00:51:49,150 --> 00:51:46,220
subprogram him a tip to more narrowly

1268
00:51:51,490 --> 00:51:49,160
focus on the five observables so that

1269
00:51:52,900 --> 00:51:51,500
was something that I believe Heath

1270
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:52,910
Bastyr field wrote and I was like oh

1271
00:51:57,910 --> 00:51:54,290
that's kind of an interesting fact as

1272
00:51:59,500 --> 00:51:57,920
well and also in May I believe I don't

1273
00:52:00,910 --> 00:51:59,510
have a specific date on this but I

1274
00:52:05,070 --> 00:52:00,920
believe it was in May

1275
00:52:08,260 --> 00:52:05,080
/ both Tom DeLonge and David flavor.that

1276
00:52:10,660 --> 00:52:08,270
TTS a was running witnesses up to

1277
00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:10,670
Congress and doing some congressional

1278
00:52:15,460 --> 00:52:12,290
briefings is that about right or am i

1279
00:52:18,910 --> 00:52:15,470
little off on that time frame grant do

1280
00:52:20,890 --> 00:52:18,920
you know yeah you're probably right

1281
00:52:23,230 --> 00:52:20,900
that was where that's where I say that

1282
00:52:24,820 --> 00:52:23,240
the the guys from political started that

1283
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:24,830
thing and the interesting thing about

1284
00:52:29,380 --> 00:52:26,930
that that I think maybe people have not

1285
00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:29,390
really realized is that they're saying

1286
00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:32,330
okay so you got to the stars there and

1287
00:52:36,010 --> 00:52:34,130
then these people really have except

1288
00:52:37,450 --> 00:52:36,020
maybe a little Al's andö have the

1289
00:52:39,610 --> 00:52:37,460
security clearances but one of the

1290
00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:39,620
things that was made public by Nick Pope

1291
00:52:44,170 --> 00:52:42,050
about these these moves to go to

1292
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:44,180
Congress into the arms Appropriations

1293
00:52:49,900 --> 00:52:47,450
Committee was the fact that the DIA gave

1294
00:52:51,580 --> 00:52:49,910
a briefing to the set to this to the

1295
00:52:53,110 --> 00:52:51,590
Senate Appropriations Committee which

1296
00:52:55,060 --> 00:52:53,120
means there's actually this direct link

1297
00:52:56,650 --> 00:52:55,070
that thing there is somebody inside the

1298
00:52:58,090 --> 00:52:56,660
government who's actually providing

1299
00:53:00,040 --> 00:52:58,100
material it's not some program that

1300
00:53:07,710 --> 00:53:00,050
leaked out is actually coming from the

1301
00:53:11,860 --> 00:53:07,720
government and the following month June

1302
00:53:15,490 --> 00:53:11,870
big news in June the premiere of a grant

1303
00:53:16,990 --> 00:53:15,500
Cameron's kgr a show the Cameron files a

1304
00:53:19,690 --> 00:53:17,000
grant you had mentioned that you've been

1305
00:53:20,980 --> 00:53:19,700
actively in this since the mid-70s what

1306
00:53:23,530 --> 00:53:20,990
was the big hurry getting your own

1307
00:53:24,850 --> 00:53:23,540
interview show together oh it's actually

1308
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:24,860
the last thing I wanted to do it's the

1309
00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:29,450
last time I ever won the only reason I

1310
00:53:33,580 --> 00:53:31,130
have is because I get the situations

1311
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:33,590
where like for I got John John John

1312
00:53:37,540 --> 00:53:35,930
Burroughs on or I've got people on you

1313
00:53:39,130 --> 00:53:37,550
can ask questions that if you out were

1314
00:53:41,230 --> 00:53:39,140
to ask them in a private interview they

1315
00:53:42,550 --> 00:53:41,240
tell you to go to hell but on neurio

1316
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:42,560
show they actually have to tell you so

1317
00:53:48,070 --> 00:53:46,010
I'll run out of witnesses to talk to but

1318
00:53:50,560 --> 00:53:48,080
I've had a couple of good shows but

1319
00:53:52,240 --> 00:53:50,570
basically I was basically talked into it

1320
00:53:55,660 --> 00:53:52,250
if you know the background story this is

1321
00:53:58,180 --> 00:53:55,670
the last thing I wanted to do God also

1322
00:54:00,460 --> 00:53:58,190
that month a an article we mentioned him

1323
00:54:05,230 --> 00:54:00,470
earlier Professor Kevin Knuth from SUNY

1324
00:54:07,570 --> 00:54:05,240
Albany was basically they this site the

1325
00:54:10,750 --> 00:54:07,580
conversation calm sort of went to him

1326
00:54:12,490 --> 00:54:10,760
and requisitioned a story hey can you

1327
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:12,500
knock down all this nonsense down about

1328
00:54:16,260 --> 00:54:13,210
UFO

1329
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:16,270
PT's and professor Knuth went ahead and

1330
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:19,210
said well it's maybe not so crazy after

1331
00:54:26,130 --> 00:54:23,410
all more recently a paper that had been

1332
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:26,140
published in March by a NASA scientist

1333
00:54:32,700 --> 00:54:29,650
dr. Colin Bono that came out so we're

1334
00:54:35,490 --> 00:54:32,710
seeing maybe not this avalanche or this

1335
00:54:37,500 --> 00:54:35,500
giant rush of scientists being a little

1336
00:54:39,900 --> 00:54:37,510
bit more open to this field but that

1337
00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:39,910
we're seeing a one year and one their

1338
00:54:44,370 --> 00:54:42,130
going public and saying yeah I'm kind of

1339
00:54:45,420 --> 00:54:44,380
interested in all this stuff [\h__\h] do you

1340
00:54:48,690 --> 00:54:45,430
have any thoughts on that

1341
00:54:51,060 --> 00:54:48,700
um just a short statement and that is

1342
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:51,070
the more scientists that are involved in

1343
00:54:56,670 --> 00:54:53,290
acting interested in the field of

1344
00:54:58,470 --> 00:54:56,680
ufology the mart legitimise isn't and so

1345
00:55:02,070 --> 00:54:58,480
you know it's really encouraging that

1346
00:55:04,980 --> 00:55:02,080
Kevin Knuth he didn't back down and shy

1347
00:55:06,990 --> 00:55:04,990
away when somebody asked him you know

1348
00:55:09,900 --> 00:55:07,000
how do you feel about UFOs hoping that

1349
00:55:13,050 --> 00:55:09,910
he would do ride it publicly he actually

1350
00:55:15,870 --> 00:55:13,060
said he you know very publicly and in a

1351
00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:15,880
very unafraid way he held his stance and

1352
00:55:21,060 --> 00:55:17,410
he said that he was actually interested

1353
00:55:23,490 --> 00:55:21,070
and he he didn't act like you know he

1354
00:55:25,770 --> 00:55:23,500
wanted to put it down or marginalize the

1355
00:55:28,590 --> 00:55:25,780
UFO community I'm really tired of that

1356
00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:28,600
by the way just one expansion it's nice

1357
00:55:34,590 --> 00:55:31,690
to have people like Kevin Knuth out

1358
00:55:38,430 --> 00:55:34,600
there on our side in the field of

1359
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:38,440
ufology I I believe the more people

1360
00:55:43,170 --> 00:55:40,810
involved in science to pay attention to

1361
00:55:45,510 --> 00:55:43,180
this field the more it allows people

1362
00:55:49,590 --> 00:55:45,520
like us to be taken seriously

1363
00:55:53,730 --> 00:55:49,600
you know the people on this panel they

1364
00:55:57,030 --> 00:55:53,740
have literally spent a large investment

1365
00:55:59,460 --> 00:55:57,040
of their life working day and night to

1366
00:56:01,860 --> 00:55:59,470
try and bring as much serious and

1367
00:56:05,190 --> 00:56:01,870
legitimate information to the field of

1368
00:56:06,540 --> 00:56:05,200
ufology as possible so that people again

1369
00:56:08,700 --> 00:56:06,550
who are your average you have gone

1370
00:56:11,850 --> 00:56:08,710
through yes to your you know from your

1371
00:56:14,070 --> 00:56:11,860
novice to your advance researchers they

1372
00:56:18,180 --> 00:56:14,080
get to become more educated regarding

1373
00:56:21,690 --> 00:56:18,190
the finds that Grant and Dave and

1374
00:56:23,670 --> 00:56:21,700
Twitter Jay myself off you James other

1375
00:56:26,470 --> 00:56:23,680
people James being the co-host of this

1376
00:56:29,020 --> 00:56:26,480
show and other people of

1377
00:56:33,370 --> 00:56:29,030
we're iconic or not well known they get

1378
00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:33,380
to educate the public eye I think it's

1379
00:56:39,790 --> 00:56:35,690
important that more scientists actually

1380
00:56:41,710 --> 00:56:39,800
stand up like a vacuum and say yes you

1381
00:56:43,630 --> 00:56:41,720
know what it is okay to say that there

1382
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:43,640
is a possibility that there is life out

1383
00:56:49,720 --> 00:56:46,010
there you know it's a mathematical

1384
00:56:53,830 --> 00:56:49,730
probability so it's yeah I don't need a

1385
00:56:55,930 --> 00:56:53,840
rant here but it's just like Jay I know

1386
00:56:57,520 --> 00:56:55,940
that that's one of your areas that then

1387
00:57:00,550 --> 00:56:57,530
you take a real particular interested in

1388
00:57:03,690 --> 00:57:00,560
I tried to gin up scientific papers on

1389
00:57:08,460 --> 00:57:03,700
the subject on those occasions when

1390
00:57:10,690 --> 00:57:08,470
scientist does decide to get involved

1391
00:57:12,370 --> 00:57:10,700
tell us a little bit about your feelings

1392
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:12,380
of some of these scientists that are

1393
00:57:17,200 --> 00:57:13,970
becoming a little bit more public with

1394
00:57:21,010 --> 00:57:17,210
their approval of looking at the UFO

1395
00:57:23,110 --> 00:57:21,020
topic I think it's been something to be

1396
00:57:25,240 --> 00:57:23,120
looked into for a while by scientists

1397
00:57:27,220 --> 00:57:25,250
you look at the Society for scientific

1398
00:57:29,560 --> 00:57:27,230
exploration which has been going for

1399
00:57:31,570 --> 00:57:29,570
about 40 odd years or 30 odd years

1400
00:57:32,980 --> 00:57:31,580
something like that but they've been

1401
00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:32,990
looking into it quite seriously for

1402
00:57:37,780 --> 00:57:35,690
quite some time but it's really on many

1403
00:57:39,070 --> 00:57:37,790
people's radars but if you look at the

1404
00:57:41,200 --> 00:57:39,080
papers and the journals and stuff that

1405
00:57:42,730 --> 00:57:41,210
they've released you know they're

1406
00:57:44,530 --> 00:57:42,740
looking at consciousness they're looking

1407
00:57:47,350 --> 00:57:44,540
at UFOs they're looking at crash

1408
00:57:49,660 --> 00:57:47,360
materials all of this stuff is included

1409
00:57:51,010 --> 00:57:49,670
in these these journals but there's

1410
00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:51,020
loads and loads of scientists that are

1411
00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:52,490
getting involved now it's really really

1412
00:57:56,260 --> 00:57:54,410
important and it's legitimizing it and

1413
00:57:58,750 --> 00:57:56,270
that's the most important thing really

1414
00:58:01,660 --> 00:57:58,760
we need scientific exploration of these

1415
00:58:03,610 --> 00:58:01,670
items because you know without that it's

1416
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:03,620
just speculation we need to have that

1417
00:58:07,720 --> 00:58:05,450
objective truth behind it rather than

1418
00:58:09,820 --> 00:58:07,730
just pure subjectivity of witness

1419
00:58:11,770 --> 00:58:09,830
testimony and that kind of stuff so yeah

1420
00:58:13,420 --> 00:58:11,780
really really really important it's

1421
00:58:14,730 --> 00:58:13,430
loads loads of papers available you know

1422
00:58:17,290 --> 00:58:14,740
you search around the internet you find

1423
00:58:18,850 --> 00:58:17,300
papers and all manner of things

1424
00:58:22,270 --> 00:58:18,860
consciousness obviously is a very

1425
00:58:23,560 --> 00:58:22,280
primary thing at the moment so yeah yet

1426
00:58:24,640 --> 00:58:23,570
very very important loads and loads of

1427
00:58:28,360 --> 00:58:24,650
scientists getting involved at the

1428
00:58:31,090 --> 00:58:28,370
moment frankly I could comment in terms

1429
00:58:32,530 --> 00:58:31,100
of not scientists but in terms of

1430
00:58:34,930 --> 00:58:32,540
because my I spent a lot of time with

1431
00:58:36,520 --> 00:58:34,940
the the government people one of the

1432
00:58:38,260 --> 00:58:36,530
other thing to change but not not just

1433
00:58:40,820 --> 00:58:38,270
scientists but government people's and

1434
00:58:45,020 --> 00:58:40,830
I'm the prime example

1435
00:58:48,110 --> 00:58:45,030
Billy Cox who I've known since 1980s and

1436
00:58:50,390 --> 00:58:48,120
he's written this lonely UFO blog every

1437
00:58:52,910 --> 00:58:50,400
week for for many many years he said his

1438
00:58:56,500 --> 00:58:52,920
le editor just basically tolerates it he

1439
00:58:59,420 --> 00:58:56,510
tells the story after the TSA release

1440
00:59:00,860 --> 00:58:59,430
before he had had they have this event

1441
00:59:03,290 --> 00:59:00,870
that happens in Florida where he's a

1442
00:59:10,520 --> 00:59:03,300
reporter there for the CIA guy he comes

1443
00:59:15,530 --> 00:59:10,530
down and they write dropping off grant

1444
00:59:20,030 --> 00:59:15,540
you dropped off yeah I think he I don't

1445
00:59:32,080 --> 00:59:20,040
see him yeah I think the aliens took a

1446
00:59:39,410 --> 00:59:37,550
great you're still there you know what

1447
00:59:41,150 --> 00:59:39,420
he's done in the past is he is are

1448
00:59:43,130 --> 00:59:41,160
called back and we had some issues with

1449
00:59:45,260 --> 00:59:43,140
him while we had him on premiere week so

1450
00:59:47,540 --> 00:59:45,270
well let's say let's move forward this

1451
00:59:49,490 --> 00:59:47,550
is something actually yeah actually is

1452
00:59:51,260 --> 00:59:49,500
that we go forward hopefully yeah grant

1453
00:59:54,350 --> 00:59:51,270
that gets back to us but as we move

1454
00:59:56,360 --> 00:59:54,360
forward we've got basically stuff that

1455
01:00:00,920 --> 00:59:56,370
the the remaining panel can go into some

1456
01:00:06,440 --> 01:00:00,930
detail on we've got in July George Knapp

1457
01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:06,450
well as I was saying earlier it's a if

1458
01:00:10,010 --> 01:00:08,490
you the 40 requests don't work that you

1459
01:00:13,160 --> 01:00:10,020
got to kind of get your questions in

1460
01:00:16,040 --> 01:00:13,170
when you can and as a granted mentioned

1461
01:00:18,620 --> 01:00:16,050
that George is a bit of a a embedded

1462
01:00:21,680 --> 01:00:18,630
reporter with the to the Stars Academy

1463
01:00:24,260 --> 01:00:21,690
and what he did was a little AMA online

1464
01:00:26,900 --> 01:00:24,270
over at coast to coast and I wanted to

1465
01:00:28,460 --> 01:00:26,910
jump off jump on that opportunity to get

1466
01:00:31,430 --> 01:00:28,470
the question that I've wanted to have

1467
01:00:35,060 --> 01:00:31,440
answered the for right from the get-go

1468
01:00:37,280 --> 01:00:35,070
the first and well not the first but the

1469
01:00:40,820 --> 01:00:37,290
the biggest UFO case that took place

1470
01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:40,830
while the a tip program was operational

1471
01:00:46,430 --> 01:00:42,810
was the Stephenville case in

1472
01:00:48,290 --> 01:00:46,440
Stephenville Texas back in 2008 and that

1473
01:00:51,470 --> 01:00:48,300
basically what I wanted to ask him was

1474
01:00:53,630 --> 01:00:51,480
did he know if a tip investigated the

1475
01:00:55,190 --> 01:00:53,640
Stephenville case at all and

1476
01:00:57,470 --> 01:00:55,200
he confirmed that they did it might have

1477
01:01:00,829 --> 01:00:57,480
been all SAP not necessarily a tip but

1478
01:01:02,809 --> 01:01:00,839
that case was investigated and it's good

1479
01:01:04,430 --> 01:01:02,819
to know that and obviously we all want

1480
01:01:06,230 --> 01:01:04,440
to follow up with somebody who might

1481
01:01:08,299 --> 01:01:06,240
know a little bit more about that namely

1482
01:01:10,609 --> 01:01:08,309
louie Elizondo who's made himself

1483
01:01:12,289 --> 01:01:10,619
available for some questions but as far

1484
01:01:14,269 --> 01:01:12,299
as I know he's never been asked that

1485
01:01:16,880 --> 01:01:14,279
specific question and I would certainly

1486
01:01:18,620 --> 01:01:16,890
like to know more about that case does

1487
01:01:20,870 --> 01:01:18,630
anybody hear I doubt it but does anybody

1488
01:01:25,220 --> 01:01:20,880
here like that Stephenville case as much

1489
01:01:29,539 --> 01:01:25,230
as I do this is Dave I think it's a

1490
01:01:32,150 --> 01:01:29,549
great case yeah I mean that was the one

1491
01:01:34,730 --> 01:01:32,160
here the one comment that I have and I

1492
01:01:36,920 --> 01:01:34,740
know Robert Powell I mean he's the guy

1493
01:01:38,900 --> 01:01:36,930
that really investigated that boots on

1494
01:01:41,240 --> 01:01:38,910
the ground he talked to all the

1495
01:01:44,420 --> 01:01:41,250
witnesses he really knows that case and

1496
01:01:46,099 --> 01:01:44,430
in fact it was the last case in the

1497
01:01:52,339 --> 01:01:46,109
United States where they were able to

1498
01:01:54,109 --> 01:01:52,349
FOIA the raw FAA radar data and it

1499
01:01:57,259 --> 01:01:54,119
allowed them to look at this rough these

1500
01:01:59,569 --> 01:01:57,269
raw blips on the radar from the air

1501
01:02:01,999 --> 01:01:59,579
traffic control in that area that showed

1502
01:02:05,359 --> 01:02:02,009
every single return and it didn't just

1503
01:02:07,430 --> 01:02:05,369
show aircraft with transponders and of

1504
01:02:09,289 --> 01:02:07,440
course until UFOs start using

1505
01:02:13,099 --> 01:02:09,299
transponders they wouldn't show up there

1506
01:02:16,249 --> 01:02:13,109
well what happened is that the FAA and I

1507
01:02:19,819 --> 01:02:16,259
guess the the government saw that they

1508
01:02:25,009 --> 01:02:19,829
were able to look at this specific data

1509
01:02:26,809 --> 01:02:25,019
in relationship to you know Bush's home

1510
01:02:29,120 --> 01:02:26,819
there in Texas right isn't that correct

1511
01:02:30,950 --> 01:02:29,130
and after that one County on out with it

1512
01:02:35,450 --> 01:02:30,960
yeah they came out with a law that

1513
01:02:38,769 --> 01:02:35,460
basically you know prevents from now on

1514
01:02:42,289 --> 01:02:38,779
you cannot FOIA that raw radar data as a

1515
01:02:44,120 --> 01:02:42,299
national security concern so just to

1516
01:02:47,749 --> 01:02:44,130
point out what that Powell and Glen

1517
01:02:50,150 --> 01:02:47,759
Schultz MUFON report indicated was one

1518
01:02:52,690 --> 01:02:50,160
of those radar returns was traveling at

1519
01:02:56,870 --> 01:02:52,700
a speed of about 2,000 miles an hour and

1520
01:03:00,410 --> 01:02:56,880
had an in diameter was about 500 feet

1521
01:03:02,059 --> 01:03:00,420
across so they changed the law bigger

1522
01:03:03,849 --> 01:03:02,069
than that that was the information that

1523
01:03:06,049 --> 01:03:03,859
they went with and now their report and

1524
01:03:07,069 --> 01:03:06,059
all that's available over at my website

1525
01:03:08,719 --> 01:03:07,079
so you can go check

1526
01:03:11,749 --> 01:03:08,729
read the whole thing if you want to it's

1527
01:03:13,969 --> 01:03:11,759
like it's like 80 pages long it's a huge

1528
01:03:17,479 --> 01:03:13,979
report but that's really the key finding

1529
01:03:20,900 --> 01:03:17,489
I think and also oh go ahead David I was

1530
01:03:23,949 --> 01:03:20,910
gonna ask you do you now Elizondo so he

1531
01:03:26,479 --> 01:03:23,959
said that the program did indeed

1532
01:03:28,249 --> 01:03:26,489
investigate that case none was around

1533
01:03:29,930 --> 01:03:28,259
that was nap that was nap who's saying

1534
01:03:31,670 --> 01:03:29,940
that not what I'm saying is the

1535
01:03:34,039 --> 01:03:31,680
follow-up questions I think at this

1536
01:03:35,900 --> 01:03:34,049
point need to go to a Lozano that's

1537
01:03:37,910 --> 01:03:35,910
right because yeah there was just

1538
01:03:38,599 --> 01:03:37,920
confirmation that but no details about

1539
01:03:40,759 --> 01:03:38,609
what they found

1540
01:03:42,380 --> 01:03:40,769
exactly exactly we're even know

1541
01:03:43,819 --> 01:03:42,390
specifically who looked at it he said it

1542
01:03:46,670 --> 01:03:43,829
might have been awesome if that's the

1543
01:03:49,219 --> 01:03:46,680
case then Elizondo might not have looked

1544
01:03:50,299 --> 01:03:49,229
at it at all but again you still got to

1545
01:03:51,799 --> 01:03:50,309
ask the question you want to run

1546
01:03:56,329 --> 01:03:51,809
something like this down you know I

1547
01:03:58,789 --> 01:03:56,339
think when you when you look at us app

1548
01:04:01,880 --> 01:03:58,799
you have to go back to the beginning

1549
01:04:05,059 --> 01:04:01,890
there were you find out that that

1550
01:04:07,699 --> 01:04:05,069
contract that solicitation from Defense

1551
01:04:10,069 --> 01:04:07,709
Intelligence Agency was awarded to

1552
01:04:12,319 --> 01:04:10,079
Bigelow who then had field investigators

1553
01:04:14,180 --> 01:04:12,329
so you know they were running as a

1554
01:04:16,640 --> 01:04:14,190
subcontractor for this program and then

1555
01:04:18,439 --> 01:04:16,650
they did indeed have guys that were sent

1556
01:04:21,949 --> 01:04:18,449
out all over the place to investigate

1557
01:04:24,829 --> 01:04:21,959
UFO cases so yeah and just another point

1558
01:04:27,829 --> 01:04:24,839
Roberts been pretty negative and very

1559
01:04:31,370 --> 01:04:27,839
dismissive of that claim from Knapp very

1560
01:04:32,870 --> 01:04:31,380
very skeptical of it a feeling that you

1561
01:04:35,390 --> 01:04:32,880
know he was on the ground he talked to

1562
01:04:36,799 --> 01:04:35,400
every witness he didn't see anybody from

1563
01:04:39,319 --> 01:04:36,809
the government running around and

1564
01:04:41,269 --> 01:04:39,329
talking to folks but you know I know

1565
01:04:44,390 --> 01:04:41,279
that case I think those ground witnesses

1566
01:04:47,870 --> 01:04:44,400
are great constable gate and Ricky

1567
01:04:49,069 --> 01:04:47,880
Sorrell Steve Allen there was it also an

1568
01:04:50,359 --> 01:04:49,079
officer who didn't want to go on the

1569
01:04:53,589 --> 01:04:50,369
record who saw something a police

1570
01:04:55,880 --> 01:04:53,599
officer in the center of town there and

1571
01:04:57,829 --> 01:04:55,890
despite all that if you're a government

1572
01:04:59,569 --> 01:04:57,839
investigator why do you want to go talk

1573
01:05:02,390 --> 01:04:59,579
to those people when it's quite possible

1574
01:05:03,979 --> 01:05:02,400
that you're able to talk to the David

1575
01:05:05,569 --> 01:05:03,989
flavour of this case because a lot of

1576
01:05:07,789 --> 01:05:05,579
people were talking about scrambled

1577
01:05:09,859 --> 01:05:07,799
aircraft well you would have it

1578
01:05:12,199 --> 01:05:09,869
essentially a David flavour being the

1579
01:05:14,630 --> 01:05:12,209
pilot you know he's analog in this

1580
01:05:16,699 --> 01:05:14,640
particular case or the analog of a Kevin

1581
01:05:19,430 --> 01:05:16,709
day a radar operator in this particular

1582
01:05:20,160 --> 01:05:19,440
case if they were also able to pick up

1583
01:05:26,039 --> 01:05:20,170
this

1584
01:05:27,480 --> 01:05:26,049
NamUs radar target so I I think just

1585
01:05:28,859 --> 01:05:27,490
because Robert didn't see anything

1586
01:05:30,630 --> 01:05:28,869
doesn't mean it didn't happen

1587
01:05:32,370 --> 01:05:30,640
III think that if they did send

1588
01:05:33,750 --> 01:05:32,380
government investigators and I don't

1589
01:05:35,400 --> 01:05:33,760
have any reason to believe that they

1590
01:05:35,760 --> 01:05:35,410
don't I think Knapp is a good source on

1591
01:05:39,299 --> 01:05:35,770
this

1592
01:05:41,010 --> 01:05:39,309
I simply believe it and again you would

1593
01:05:42,690 --> 01:05:41,020
talk to the military people in the area

1594
01:05:44,280 --> 01:05:42,700
if you were sending them out so no

1595
01:05:46,020 --> 01:05:44,290
Robert Powell wouldn't have cross paths

1596
01:05:48,839 --> 01:05:46,030
with them because they're not talking to

1597
01:05:50,849 --> 01:05:48,849
the the local ground witnesses as great

1598
01:05:52,470 --> 01:05:50,859
as they are they've got military

1599
01:05:54,390 --> 01:05:52,480
witnesses they can talk to and that's

1600
01:05:55,289 --> 01:05:54,400
who they would have talked to so okay

1601
01:06:00,690 --> 01:05:55,299
all right

1602
01:06:04,559 --> 01:06:00,700
and then in august twitter j twitter

1603
01:06:08,490 --> 01:06:04,569
user j found some documents at

1604
01:06:10,680 --> 01:06:08,500
Christopher melons website and just go

1605
01:06:13,799 --> 01:06:10,690
ahead to tell that whole story IJ

1606
01:06:17,970 --> 01:06:13,809
because I think how did you even know to

1607
01:06:19,530 --> 01:06:17,980
look there well didn't there was no real

1608
01:06:23,089 --> 01:06:19,540
indication or anything like that it was

1609
01:06:25,799 --> 01:06:23,099
just pure chance I guess you could say

1610
01:06:29,099 --> 01:06:25,809
nothing wrong with beginner's luck J

1611
01:06:30,390 --> 01:06:29,109
nothing at all exactly right I mean

1612
01:06:32,069 --> 01:06:30,400
that's only can be brought down through

1613
01:06:33,270 --> 01:06:32,079
really so I was just looking to Chris

1614
01:06:37,049 --> 01:06:33,280
Mellon that the debt on the day

1615
01:06:38,670 --> 01:06:37,059
obviously I knew him from a TTS a so I

1616
01:06:41,700 --> 01:06:38,680
just watched an interview of his that

1617
01:06:44,520 --> 01:06:41,710
morning so they started to look around I

1618
01:06:47,880 --> 01:06:44,530
saw his he had a Twitter account and a

1619
01:06:50,339 --> 01:06:47,890
link to his website to basically clicked

1620
01:06:52,140 --> 01:06:50,349
on that link when over there had a

1621
01:06:56,640 --> 01:06:52,150
little rummage around it had different

1622
01:06:58,380 --> 01:06:56,650
sections at security defense all of this

1623
01:07:01,109 --> 01:06:58,390
kind of stuff in different sections and

1624
01:07:02,849 --> 01:07:01,119
they will all the URLs for each of these

1625
01:07:04,890 --> 01:07:02,859
different parts had a different numeric

1626
01:07:07,020 --> 01:07:04,900
value that one started off as one which

1627
01:07:09,390 --> 01:07:07,030
might be the security defense might be

1628
01:07:11,339 --> 01:07:09,400
number two and I realized there was a

1629
01:07:13,049 --> 01:07:11,349
miscellaneous section as well it was

1630
01:07:16,380 --> 01:07:13,059
listed there was a link there present on

1631
01:07:19,349 --> 01:07:16,390
the web site and I think it might have

1632
01:07:20,880 --> 01:07:19,359
had a zero numeric value in the URL so I

1633
01:07:24,960 --> 01:07:20,890
went over to the miscellaneous section

1634
01:07:27,710 --> 01:07:24,970
and I see a presentation or a set of

1635
01:07:31,890 --> 01:07:27,720
PowerPoint slides something like that

1636
01:07:33,360 --> 01:07:31,900
actually for a tip though it tweeted

1637
01:07:34,830 --> 01:07:33,370
some of those

1638
01:07:36,960 --> 01:07:34,840
I realized there are a couple more links

1639
01:07:38,690 --> 01:07:36,970
within that mystical Irenaeus section

1640
01:07:43,470 --> 01:07:38,700
one of which had Lou Ellis on those

1641
01:07:45,450 --> 01:07:43,480
resignation letter and we had the actual

1642
01:07:46,830 --> 01:07:45,460
videos themselves to the original

1643
01:07:48,600 --> 01:07:46,840
versions of those videos which only

1644
01:07:53,220 --> 01:07:48,610
about eight nine megabytes in size

1645
01:07:56,550 --> 01:07:53,230
something like that and also limits our

1646
01:07:59,070 --> 01:07:56,560
unredacted report so basically I just

1647
01:08:00,120 --> 01:07:59,080
posted some of that stuff to Twitter and

1648
01:08:02,520 --> 01:08:00,130
creating a little bit of a storm but

1649
01:08:04,230 --> 01:08:02,530
there's no nothing really outstanding to

1650
01:08:05,850 --> 01:08:04,240
be interestingly about it apart from the

1651
01:08:07,230 --> 01:08:05,860
facts you know most have a good rummage

1652
01:08:08,460 --> 01:08:07,240
around the website when I spoke to

1653
01:08:10,530 --> 01:08:08,470
people about it afterwards they seemed

1654
01:08:12,210 --> 01:08:10,540
to imply that it was lots or there was a

1655
01:08:14,100 --> 01:08:12,220
password or something like that but I

1656
01:08:17,970 --> 01:08:14,110
did not experience that when I try to

1657
01:08:20,520 --> 01:08:17,980
access his website people yeah I go

1658
01:08:22,230 --> 01:08:20,530
ahead finish up please yeah yeah I was

1659
01:08:23,910 --> 01:08:22,240
just gonna say I think you know once I

1660
01:08:25,950 --> 01:08:23,920
posted it when I was seem to go to

1661
01:08:27,150 --> 01:08:25,960
access it foreign as well so yeah it

1662
01:08:30,300 --> 01:08:27,160
seemed like it was available for a few

1663
01:08:33,060 --> 01:08:30,310
few days and yeah our chant had

1664
01:08:34,770 --> 01:08:33,070
mentioned earlier that one of the things

1665
01:08:37,560 --> 01:08:34,780
that turned up there was a document that

1666
01:08:39,390 --> 01:08:37,570
does specifically identified the female

1667
01:08:41,280 --> 01:08:39,400
pilot that day flavor but the other

1668
01:08:43,590 --> 01:08:41,290
pilot was a female that's something that

1669
01:08:46,650 --> 01:08:43,600
they had from way back in the day but

1670
01:08:48,480 --> 01:08:46,660
she wanted to stay anonymous she wanted

1671
01:08:50,670 --> 01:08:48,490
no part of any publicity surrounding all

1672
01:08:52,980 --> 01:08:50,680
this that information was in there you

1673
01:08:56,550 --> 01:08:52,990
held back on that information J and

1674
01:09:05,040 --> 01:08:56,560
kudos for you to you for that

1675
01:09:06,810 --> 01:09:05,050
I want a second that wanted to say that

1676
01:09:08,460 --> 01:09:06,820
I'm sorry to interrupt you just want to

1677
01:09:10,680 --> 01:09:08,470
say that I think that shows a lot of

1678
01:09:13,250 --> 01:09:10,690
honor and integrity on your part not

1679
01:09:15,540 --> 01:09:13,260
having revealed the female pilots

1680
01:09:19,440 --> 01:09:15,550
background you know her information her

1681
01:09:21,300 --> 01:09:19,450
name that's really really very important

1682
01:09:23,640 --> 01:09:21,310
that she didn't do that you know it's

1683
01:09:28,040 --> 01:09:23,650
funny people expect journalists to

1684
01:09:31,020 --> 01:09:28,050
reveal everything that's sometimes a

1685
01:09:33,390 --> 01:09:31,030
stereotype but actually what you did was

1686
01:09:35,220 --> 01:09:33,400
important regarding what you didn't do

1687
01:09:38,220 --> 01:09:35,230
and so I just really commend you for

1688
01:09:39,980 --> 01:09:38,230
that thank you very much do you need to

1689
01:09:43,500 --> 01:09:39,990
be a hundred percent honest about

1690
01:09:46,289 --> 01:09:43,510
initiative I posted the a tip

1691
01:09:47,879 --> 01:09:46,299
presentation I also posted

1692
01:09:50,249 --> 01:09:47,889
a couple of images from the nimitz

1693
01:09:52,049 --> 01:09:50,259
incident as well which i think did

1694
01:09:55,680 --> 01:09:52,059
initially have some of those names but

1695
01:09:59,990 --> 01:09:55,690
somebody UFO joe in fact just drop me a

1696
01:10:04,350 --> 01:10:02,850
when it be fair to see on your behalf

1697
01:10:06,240 --> 01:10:04,360
that there was probably an immense

1698
01:10:09,750 --> 01:10:06,250
amount of data to go through

1699
01:10:11,189 --> 01:10:09,760
right so oh absolutely yeah you know

1700
01:10:13,770 --> 01:10:11,199
when you [\h__\h] these kind of stuff on a

1701
01:10:16,290 --> 01:10:13,780
website it's you know it's overwhelming

1702
01:10:19,410 --> 01:10:16,300
to come across this kind of stuff anyway

1703
01:10:20,700 --> 01:10:19,420
and you just kind of digest you all of

1704
01:10:22,109 --> 01:10:20,710
the information you know what i mean i

1705
01:10:23,819 --> 01:10:22,119
didn't have any kind of followers at the

1706
01:10:25,819 --> 01:10:23,829
time on twitter so i just thought i was

1707
01:10:30,240 --> 01:10:25,829
gonna post this stuff see what happens

1708
01:10:32,970 --> 01:10:30,250
obviously you know the question i have

1709
01:10:34,319 --> 01:10:32,980
for you is did your jaw drop when you

1710
01:10:36,270 --> 01:10:34,329
realize that you had valuable

1711
01:10:38,370 --> 01:10:36,280
information that nobody had really

1712
01:10:40,379 --> 01:10:38,380
stared at you know that had just

1713
01:10:42,540 --> 01:10:40,389
basically been overlooked were you

1714
01:10:46,439 --> 01:10:42,550
actually astounded when you came across

1715
01:10:50,069 --> 01:10:46,449
some extremely interesting data yeah i

1716
01:10:53,850 --> 01:10:50,079
was surprised it was on the website yeah

1717
01:10:55,260 --> 01:10:53,860
there was a it was also an image so you

1718
01:10:59,280 --> 01:10:55,270
know going to all the different parts

1719
01:11:02,609 --> 01:10:59,290
the miscellaneous website there was

1720
01:11:04,589 --> 01:11:02,619
actually an image that had four discs so

1721
01:11:06,030 --> 01:11:04,599
for cds they're actually listed and see

1722
01:11:08,879 --> 01:11:06,040
these they weren't dvds they weren't

1723
01:11:11,939 --> 01:11:08,889
blu-ray or anything like that and also a

1724
01:11:16,109 --> 01:11:11,949
photograph of a package part of those CD

1725
01:11:18,209 --> 01:11:16,119
said that they were yeah yeah basically

1726
01:11:20,609 --> 01:11:18,219
had come from the pentagon so it's you

1727
01:11:21,839 --> 01:11:20,619
know kind of legitimizes some of the

1728
01:11:24,810 --> 01:11:21,849
information that it was part of those

1729
01:11:30,020 --> 01:11:24,820
releases from t TSA as well but very

1730
01:11:34,770 --> 01:11:32,910
what a fantastic find that you you know

1731
01:11:37,530 --> 01:11:34,780
that kudos to you you did such a

1732
01:11:38,819 --> 01:11:37,540
wonderful job and I have a quick comment

1733
01:11:39,149 --> 01:11:38,829
is well I think I know where you're

1734
01:11:42,330 --> 01:11:39,159
gonna go

1735
01:11:45,060 --> 01:11:42,340
okay go I was gonna ask you first of all

1736
01:11:48,000 --> 01:11:45,070
I just wanted to say that the website is

1737
01:11:51,180 --> 01:11:48,010
gone now it was I think global security

1738
01:11:53,240 --> 01:11:51,190
issues something like that and you know

1739
01:11:55,589 --> 01:11:53,250
when when you had first posted the link

1740
01:11:58,229 --> 01:11:55,599
many of us went there and checked it out

1741
01:11:59,910 --> 01:11:58,239
and tried to make heads or tails of why

1742
01:12:02,880 --> 01:11:59,920
would these documents were there

1743
01:12:04,919 --> 01:12:02,890
what possibly use could it be to have

1744
01:12:07,290 --> 01:12:04,929
this specific collection of documents

1745
01:12:09,750 --> 01:12:07,300
and the only thing I could ever surmise

1746
01:12:11,820 --> 01:12:09,760
would was this was used in some type of

1747
01:12:14,400 --> 01:12:11,830
high-level briefings with people that

1748
01:12:16,620 --> 01:12:14,410
had clearances and so on and that blue

1749
01:12:18,810 --> 01:12:16,630
knew I knew the link guests or to use it

1750
01:12:21,240 --> 01:12:18,820
as that may be a share folders yeah

1751
01:12:22,890 --> 01:12:21,250
maybe it was part of a PowerPoint or

1752
01:12:24,510 --> 01:12:22,900
something like that that he was doing I

1753
01:12:27,660 --> 01:12:24,520
think there was a PowerPoint slides and

1754
01:12:29,370 --> 01:12:27,670
in the folder one uh one of the

1755
01:12:32,010 --> 01:12:29,380
interesting things was Luis Luis

1756
01:12:34,320 --> 01:12:32,020
elizondo's resignation letter which some

1757
01:12:36,570 --> 01:12:34,330
people had asked for previously that

1758
01:12:39,180 --> 01:12:36,580
said you know we want proof that this

1759
01:12:41,160 --> 01:12:39,190
guy did work for you know defense

1760
01:12:43,560 --> 01:12:41,170
intelligence and so on and we want to

1761
01:12:47,669 --> 01:12:43,570
see his resignation letter so there it

1762
01:12:50,340 --> 01:12:47,679
was a part that you might have just you

1763
01:12:53,700 --> 01:12:50,350
know been foreshadowing was that some of

1764
01:12:55,860 --> 01:12:53,710
the names that we had previously thought

1765
01:12:57,510 --> 01:12:55,870
work or accurate because there was some

1766
01:12:59,580 --> 01:12:57,520
confusion in the beginning if you look

1767
01:13:01,770 --> 01:12:59,590
at some of the first news reports about

1768
01:13:05,070 --> 01:13:01,780
some of these especially specifically

1769
01:13:07,860 --> 01:13:05,080
the Nimmons case the pilots names were

1770
01:13:10,680 --> 01:13:07,870
listed as command and flavor and

1771
01:13:12,270 --> 01:13:10,690
lieutenant commander slate and so it was

1772
01:13:15,479 --> 01:13:12,280
reported over and over and over that

1773
01:13:17,370 --> 01:13:15,489
these were the two pilots I had done

1774
01:13:20,070 --> 01:13:17,380
some research that indicated that one of

1775
01:13:22,200 --> 01:13:20,080
the pilots was actually a female and I

1776
01:13:24,990 --> 01:13:22,210
did not actually know her name I had

1777
01:13:27,479 --> 01:13:25,000
some suspicions but none of the primary

1778
01:13:30,390 --> 01:13:27,489
witnesses had mentioned who this person

1779
01:13:33,689 --> 01:13:30,400
was in fact has chance said they told me

1780
01:13:35,790 --> 01:13:33,699
that this pilot does not want to go on

1781
01:13:38,750 --> 01:13:35,800
the record she's still active duty and

1782
01:13:41,040 --> 01:13:38,760
doesn't want to be named and so I had

1783
01:13:42,660 --> 01:13:41,050
reported this you know on some of the

1784
01:13:44,700 --> 01:13:42,670
social media and I got a lot of flack

1785
01:13:47,280 --> 01:13:44,710
for that they said no you're you're

1786
01:13:50,070 --> 01:13:47,290
completely wrong it was a lieutenant

1787
01:13:53,160 --> 01:13:50,080
commander slate was the second pilot he

1788
01:13:56,610 --> 01:13:53,170
was the wingman of that that he was in

1789
01:13:58,350 --> 01:13:56,620
fact was it that when it was at flavors

1790
01:14:00,930 --> 01:13:58,360
weapons systems officer or was it the

1791
01:14:03,750 --> 01:14:00,940
lady pilots it was a lady Hewitt he was

1792
01:14:06,180 --> 01:14:03,760
based on this research that Jay had

1793
01:14:08,400 --> 01:14:06,190
uncovered and this information it sort

1794
01:14:11,060 --> 01:14:08,410
of provide painted that picture okay

1795
01:14:13,770 --> 01:14:11,070
okay now we know who is in what jet and

1796
01:14:16,020 --> 01:14:13,780
none of us were interested in out

1797
01:14:18,209 --> 01:14:16,030
anybody are using any names this was a

1798
01:14:19,560 --> 01:14:18,219
very personal sensitive information on

1799
01:14:21,540 --> 01:14:19,570
that document it said so right at the

1800
01:14:24,450 --> 01:14:21,550
top personal sensitive information not

1801
01:14:26,700 --> 01:14:24,460
be released so we just kind of buried it

1802
01:14:28,919 --> 01:14:26,710
all but it was nice to see that that

1803
01:14:35,640 --> 01:14:28,929
yeah see I was right about that one fat

1804
01:14:38,129 --> 01:14:35,650
so thanks Jay appreciate that and from

1805
01:14:39,870 --> 01:14:38,139
there we get on towards the latter part

1806
01:14:41,970 --> 01:14:39,880
of the year it hasn't been as busy

1807
01:14:44,459 --> 01:14:41,980
certainly as the first half some

1808
01:14:47,339 --> 01:14:44,469
interesting things happened hunt for the

1809
01:14:49,890 --> 01:14:47,349
skinwalker was released in September in

1810
01:14:52,160 --> 01:14:49,900
October I'd the long and Elizondo went

1811
01:14:54,569 --> 01:14:52,170
to Italy we've covered a lot of this in

1812
01:14:55,770 --> 01:14:54,579
excruciating detail in early roundtable

1813
01:14:59,339 --> 01:14:55,780
so I'm not going to spend a whole lot of

1814
01:15:01,319 --> 01:14:59,349
time on that the the TTS a financial

1815
01:15:05,100 --> 01:15:01,329
statement came out anybody have any

1816
01:15:07,680 --> 01:15:05,110
comments on all that at all is anybody

1817
01:15:08,819 --> 01:15:07,690
interested in whether or not Tom DeLonge

1818
01:15:13,830 --> 01:15:08,829
is going to be able to keep a roof over

1819
01:15:15,870 --> 01:15:13,840
his head I think they actually post

1820
01:15:17,729 --> 01:15:15,880
their financial information on their

1821
01:15:20,910 --> 01:15:17,739
website I think what they're trying to

1822
01:15:26,390 --> 01:15:20,920
do right now is ask for donations from

1823
01:15:29,819 --> 01:15:26,400
different states and they also post like

1824
01:15:32,189 --> 01:15:29,829
basically reports indicating the money

1825
01:15:34,140 --> 01:15:32,199
they have received so they've made it

1826
01:15:38,339 --> 01:15:34,150
very public you know they haven't tried

1827
01:15:40,290 --> 01:15:38,349
to hide anything yet I think it took a

1828
01:15:42,689 --> 01:15:40,300
while they weren't immediately able to

1829
01:15:44,399 --> 01:15:42,699
solicit investments in a couple of

1830
01:15:47,189 --> 01:15:44,409
states in there that kind of came along

1831
01:15:48,810 --> 01:15:47,199
later but that in general their money

1832
01:15:50,310 --> 01:15:48,820
worries are their money worries I'm not

1833
01:15:52,350 --> 01:15:50,320
that concerned about it I think it's

1834
01:15:54,450 --> 01:15:52,360
basically all about cash flow that

1835
01:15:57,240 --> 01:15:54,460
initial fundraiser for the two million

1836
01:15:58,890 --> 01:15:57,250
that that kept them going and now

1837
01:16:01,109 --> 01:15:58,900
they've got TV deals which we haven't

1838
01:16:03,930 --> 01:16:01,119
gone into too much but they've got TV

1839
01:16:05,850 --> 01:16:03,940
deals and the the pre-production costs

1840
01:16:07,470 --> 01:16:05,860
or development costs that's going to

1841
01:16:10,020 --> 01:16:07,480
provide some cash flow for them as well

1842
01:16:11,220 --> 01:16:10,030
and running any kind of organization I

1843
01:16:13,649 --> 01:16:11,230
don't care if it's for-profit or

1844
01:16:15,839 --> 01:16:13,659
not-for-profit it's it's all about the

1845
01:16:18,450 --> 01:16:15,849
cash flow and I think they're going to

1846
01:16:20,189 --> 01:16:18,460
be fine one thing I wanted to mention it

1847
01:16:23,729 --> 01:16:20,199
might be kind of a boring detail but

1848
01:16:26,189 --> 01:16:23,739
it's still important to note that the to

1849
01:16:27,600 --> 01:16:26,199
the stars Academy is a public benefit

1850
01:16:29,430 --> 01:16:27,610
corporation

1851
01:16:32,340 --> 01:16:29,440
do you know what that means basically is

1852
01:16:34,919 --> 01:16:32,350
for example public benefits corporation

1853
01:16:37,290 --> 01:16:34,929
that is usually a corporation created by

1854
01:16:39,660 --> 01:16:37,300
the government that performs a specific

1855
01:16:43,859 --> 01:16:39,670
function for the benefit of public such

1856
01:16:47,189 --> 01:16:43,869
as a public library or big Adult Day

1857
01:16:49,260 --> 01:16:47,199
Center but more broadly a public benefit

1858
01:16:52,620 --> 01:16:49,270
corporation can mean any corporation

1859
01:16:54,530 --> 01:16:52,630
created for a charitable purpose so

1860
01:16:58,709 --> 01:16:54,540
though these are usually called

1861
01:17:01,160 --> 01:16:58,719
nonprofit organizations this is not a

1862
01:17:03,600 --> 01:17:01,170
this is a basically a charitable

1863
01:17:05,370 --> 01:17:03,610
corporation called a public benefit

1864
01:17:08,280 --> 01:17:05,380
corporation so you can give them money

1865
01:17:10,229 --> 01:17:08,290
so they can keep going that that sounds

1866
01:17:12,600 --> 01:17:10,239
a little boring but it's important that

1867
01:17:17,070 --> 01:17:12,610
people know that's what they're about

1868
01:17:20,700 --> 01:17:17,080
the one other comment was there was some

1869
01:17:24,629 --> 01:17:20,710
misunderstanding about the SEC report

1870
01:17:26,760 --> 01:17:24,639
that people jumped on showed 37 million

1871
01:17:28,830 --> 01:17:26,770
dollars of debt and so there were some

1872
01:17:31,919 --> 01:17:28,840
reports that said oh look these guys are

1873
01:17:34,020 --> 01:17:31,929
that far in the red but there was some

1874
01:17:36,240 --> 01:17:34,030
later corrections to that in

1875
01:17:39,180 --> 01:17:36,250
explanations in fact to the Stars came

1876
01:17:41,220 --> 01:17:39,190
out with a an explanation kind of

1877
01:17:42,060 --> 01:17:41,230
chastising that one report saying you

1878
01:17:44,490 --> 01:17:42,070
know if you don't know what you're

1879
01:17:46,379 --> 01:17:44,500
talking about don't put this in in print

1880
01:17:47,790 --> 01:17:46,389
as news because you don't know what

1881
01:17:50,220 --> 01:17:47,800
you're talking about and they kind of

1882
01:17:52,890 --> 01:17:50,230
explained what those numbers met and

1883
01:17:55,439 --> 01:17:52,900
indeed it was sort of okay I get it it's

1884
01:17:57,030 --> 01:17:55,449
complex financial stuff that you know

1885
01:18:00,000 --> 01:17:57,040
was kind of boring but it made sense

1886
01:18:04,919 --> 01:18:00,010
after you read that so got it and then

1887
01:18:07,500 --> 01:18:04,929
in November mid-november November the

1888
01:18:10,410 --> 01:18:07,510
14th the release of the long-awaited

1889
01:18:14,100 --> 01:18:10,420
documentary from Dave Beattie the nimitz

1890
01:18:16,879 --> 01:18:14,110
encounters Dave I know you put countless

1891
01:18:19,290 --> 01:18:16,889
hours into all this finally it came out

1892
01:18:21,330 --> 01:18:19,300
tell us a little bit about that that

1893
01:18:23,820 --> 01:18:21,340
process that we had that some rough cuts

1894
01:18:27,510 --> 01:18:23,830
back in April and with the finished

1895
01:18:29,370 --> 01:18:27,520
product that was just fantastic tell us

1896
01:18:30,899 --> 01:18:29,380
all about it I think he ended up with a

1897
01:18:32,609 --> 01:18:30,909
lot more than you were expecting to have

1898
01:18:35,820 --> 01:18:32,619
back in April including some expert

1899
01:18:38,010 --> 01:18:35,830
voiceovers in there yeah you know I mean

1900
01:18:40,200 --> 01:18:38,020
I've been on television producer for my

1901
01:18:41,550 --> 01:18:40,210
entire career um I did I started as a

1902
01:18:44,160 --> 01:18:41,560
news

1903
01:18:46,110 --> 01:18:44,170
and by the way I'm kind of interested in

1904
01:18:47,970 --> 01:18:46,120
learning about this embedded journalist

1905
01:18:49,890 --> 01:18:47,980
and not that familiar with that embedded

1906
01:18:54,180 --> 01:18:49,900
journalist but that's an interesting

1907
01:18:55,740 --> 01:18:54,190
concept but anyways the the film project

1908
01:18:57,959 --> 01:18:55,750
started out of course with the New York

1909
01:19:01,110 --> 01:18:57,969
Times article and I read that and saw

1910
01:19:04,050 --> 01:19:01,120
the interviews that were done and I

1911
01:19:06,900 --> 01:19:04,060
started thinking wow this would be great

1912
01:19:10,050 --> 01:19:06,910
to do a visual representation a

1913
01:19:12,720 --> 01:19:10,060
recreation of this and how can I pull

1914
01:19:15,570 --> 01:19:12,730
that off and I thought well I don't

1915
01:19:18,180 --> 01:19:15,580
really have any money but I can do the

1916
01:19:20,220 --> 01:19:18,190
editing and I probably could do some

1917
01:19:23,940 --> 01:19:20,230
computer graphics that would simulate

1918
01:19:28,140 --> 01:19:23,950
the Jets I have some you know background

1919
01:19:30,060 --> 01:19:28,150
experience in doing CGI so by taking

1920
01:19:33,720 --> 01:19:30,070
those elements and then taking the

1921
01:19:36,030 --> 01:19:33,730
course the story and I also had done

1922
01:19:39,150 --> 01:19:36,040
some documentaries for like History

1923
01:19:43,560 --> 01:19:39,160
Channel and PBS in the past work I know

1924
01:19:45,630 --> 01:19:43,570
the the track to get footage from the US

1925
01:19:48,330 --> 01:19:45,640
government through the National Archives

1926
01:19:49,950 --> 01:19:48,340
for instance and in this case a lot of

1927
01:19:54,300 --> 01:19:49,960
it was from the defense visual

1928
01:19:57,330 --> 01:19:54,310
information center and most US defense

1929
01:20:00,600 --> 01:19:57,340
footage of warships and planes and jets

1930
01:20:03,150 --> 01:20:00,610
and all that is public domain so I was

1931
01:20:05,930 --> 01:20:03,160
able to get footage of for instance the

1932
01:20:10,680 --> 01:20:05,940
USS Nimitz and the Princeton under way

1933
01:20:12,530 --> 01:20:10,690
by combining all those elements you know

1934
01:20:15,180 --> 01:20:12,540
to create a recreation of this event

1935
01:20:18,030 --> 01:20:15,190
turned out to be about 17 minutes in the

1936
01:20:20,250 --> 01:20:18,040
end and it was a great experience I mean

1937
01:20:22,500 --> 01:20:20,260
I worked on it after work and you know

1938
01:20:24,540 --> 01:20:22,510
I'd come home home and let the computer

1939
01:20:27,479 --> 01:20:24,550
run or overnight probably I think I

1940
01:20:31,740 --> 01:20:27,489
started the process back in January or

1941
01:20:33,240 --> 01:20:31,750
February of this year and oh yeah the

1942
01:20:34,440 --> 01:20:33,250
one of the great things it's like I

1943
01:20:36,090 --> 01:20:34,450
don't have I don't have money to fly

1944
01:20:39,570 --> 01:20:36,100
around to try to interview some of these

1945
01:20:40,950 --> 01:20:39,580
primary witnesses I have the camera

1946
01:20:42,840 --> 01:20:40,960
equipment but you know it's kind of

1947
01:20:45,780 --> 01:20:42,850
expensive and takes me away from my day

1948
01:20:51,600 --> 01:20:45,790
job so I reached out to to the stars

1949
01:20:53,080 --> 01:20:51,610
they have a press inquiry contact page

1950
01:20:54,760 --> 01:20:53,090
on their website so

1951
01:20:57,609 --> 01:20:54,770
I think was actually Gary Nolan that

1952
01:20:59,050 --> 01:20:57,619
said that I should do that so I reached

1953
01:21:00,669 --> 01:20:59,060
out to them and I explained that I was

1954
01:21:03,459 --> 01:21:00,679
making this little movie that it was

1955
01:21:04,959 --> 01:21:03,469
gonna be you know given to people for

1956
01:21:08,620 --> 01:21:04,969
free I wasn't gonna charge a

1957
01:21:10,689 --> 01:21:08,630
pay-per-view type you know or theatrical

1958
01:21:12,250 --> 01:21:10,699
or anything like that and that I

1959
01:21:14,919 --> 01:21:12,260
wouldn't use the entire thing I was just

1960
01:21:17,140 --> 01:21:14,929
gonna use some excerpts from it and a

1961
01:21:19,870 --> 01:21:17,150
couple weeks went by and he or anything

1962
01:21:22,270 --> 01:21:19,880
and then I get an email from I'm carried

1963
01:21:25,030 --> 01:21:22,280
along I guess that's Tom's sister saying

1964
01:21:27,490 --> 01:21:25,040
that yeah as long as you know I don't

1965
01:21:29,020 --> 01:21:27,500
charge for it and I you know give them

1966
01:21:31,149 --> 01:21:29,030
credit that it's okay if I use it for

1967
01:21:33,640 --> 01:21:31,159
you know for free or whatever without

1968
01:21:36,760 --> 01:21:33,650
charging so then that gave me that

1969
01:21:38,800 --> 01:21:36,770
aspect of it a interview or primary

1970
01:21:41,140 --> 01:21:38,810
witness to go along with those other two

1971
01:21:46,479 --> 01:21:41,150
elements that I mentioned and you see

1972
01:21:48,760 --> 01:21:46,489
the results right now on YouTube we

1973
01:21:50,950 --> 01:21:48,770
talked a little bit about it but the the

1974
01:21:55,209 --> 01:21:50,960
million views I don't know if there's

1975
01:21:57,459 --> 01:21:55,219
any other UFO dedicated video on YouTube

1976
01:21:58,810 --> 01:21:57,469
with that many views and it would have

1977
01:22:00,640 --> 01:21:58,820
to be pointed out to me I don't remember

1978
01:22:02,470 --> 01:22:00,650
ever seeing a number quite that high a

1979
01:22:04,660 --> 01:22:02,480
chant you're gonna jump in there I just

1980
01:22:07,930 --> 01:22:04,670
kind of say that it's really important

1981
01:22:10,959 --> 01:22:07,940
for people to know that Dave worked very

1982
01:22:13,600 --> 01:22:10,969
hard on that film and you know after

1983
01:22:16,479 --> 01:22:13,610
only three weeks there were a million

1984
01:22:18,609 --> 01:22:16,489
views on it almost and that's just

1985
01:22:21,129 --> 01:22:18,619
incredible you know also wanted to

1986
01:22:22,600 --> 01:22:21,139
mention that some of these films have

1987
01:22:25,660 --> 01:22:22,610
been featured on the History Channel the

1988
01:22:27,370 --> 01:22:25,670
Travel Channel in PBS nationally I had

1989
01:22:29,830 --> 01:22:27,380
the privilege and honor of actually

1990
01:22:33,580 --> 01:22:29,840
being able to interview Dave and it was

1991
01:22:35,709 --> 01:22:33,590
really a i opening interview having the

1992
01:22:38,800 --> 01:22:35,719
opportunity learn more about him and

1993
01:22:41,620 --> 01:22:38,810
find out how he feels about the topic of

1994
01:22:44,070 --> 01:22:41,630
you apology and other subjects also

1995
01:22:48,250 --> 01:22:44,080
additionally so thank you for that Dave

1996
01:22:50,370 --> 01:22:48,260
yeah no problem you know it was it was

1997
01:22:53,140 --> 01:22:50,380
really fun because not only creating the

1998
01:22:54,970 --> 01:22:53,150
film but being able to engage the

1999
01:22:57,430 --> 01:22:54,980
community and ask questions everyone was

2000
01:22:59,979 --> 01:22:57,440
very supportive of the project and you

2001
01:23:02,530 --> 01:22:59,989
know I I was able to provide updates as

2002
01:23:04,689 --> 01:23:02,540
I went along and so on and it was really

2003
01:23:05,800 --> 01:23:04,699
cool I think to look at some of the

2004
01:23:08,440 --> 01:23:05,810
documents and

2005
01:23:13,000 --> 01:23:08,450
listen to the interviews one of my

2006
01:23:17,080 --> 01:23:13,010
friends has a amazing website on Omni

2007
01:23:19,300 --> 01:23:17,090
talk radio you announced Giuliano yeah

2008
01:23:21,730 --> 01:23:19,310
with pretty much every single news

2009
01:23:25,180 --> 01:23:21,740
report that ever took place on this a

2010
01:23:28,000 --> 01:23:25,190
tip subject and I was able to listen to

2011
01:23:30,100 --> 01:23:28,010
all the interviews and compare them so

2012
01:23:32,800 --> 01:23:30,110
you might have one of the pilots giving

2013
01:23:35,200 --> 01:23:32,810
an entire account of the Nimitz of

2014
01:23:37,420 --> 01:23:35,210
counters and another pilot and radar

2015
01:23:40,720 --> 01:23:37,430
operators and so on and by combining

2016
01:23:42,430 --> 01:23:40,730
them all together into one timeline you

2017
01:23:44,710 --> 01:23:42,440
know I think that I got it pretty

2018
01:23:46,660 --> 01:23:44,720
accurate based on the witnesses there's

2019
01:23:48,970 --> 01:23:46,670
some things that are wrong I know like

2020
01:23:52,270 --> 01:23:48,980
there's a couple you know things that

2021
01:23:55,870 --> 01:23:52,280
were unclear about the direction of the

2022
01:23:58,660 --> 01:23:55,880
travel or exact altitude and if it was a

2023
01:24:01,810 --> 01:23:58,670
girl that was on the radio asking about

2024
01:24:04,180 --> 01:24:01,820
the weapons if it was a guy so there's

2025
01:24:05,800 --> 01:24:04,190
some discrepancies that are small and

2026
01:24:09,310 --> 01:24:05,810
minor so what I tried to do is kind of

2027
01:24:11,530 --> 01:24:09,320
if it was a guy or I put both a female

2028
01:24:14,170 --> 01:24:11,540
radio operator and a male radio operator

2029
01:24:16,150 --> 01:24:14,180
and you brought in some ringers you had

2030
01:24:22,720 --> 01:24:16,160
some help in terms of bringing that

2031
01:24:24,370 --> 01:24:22,730
dialogue up to more credibility he tell

2032
01:24:26,920 --> 01:24:24,380
us how well you were able to bring in

2033
01:24:29,290 --> 01:24:26,930
Kevin day who is the radar operator on

2034
01:24:32,080 --> 01:24:29,300
the plainest and who's come forward tell

2035
01:24:34,420 --> 01:24:32,090
us all about that sure you know I guess

2036
01:24:37,210 --> 01:24:34,430
listener says it to this podcast get to

2037
01:24:38,920 --> 01:24:37,220
know that there's some Easter eggs in

2038
01:24:40,840 --> 01:24:38,930
the film and one is that in the

2039
01:24:43,180 --> 01:24:40,850
beginning you'll you know when the

2040
01:24:46,060 --> 01:24:43,190
recreation starts you hear some radio

2041
01:24:49,870 --> 01:24:46,070
operators and one is called Charlie and

2042
01:24:52,900 --> 01:24:49,880
he is talking to e to Hawkeye and that

2043
01:24:56,470 --> 01:24:52,910
pilot or radio operator is on the radio

2044
01:24:59,530 --> 01:24:56,480
called banger well these are two of the

2045
01:25:01,210 --> 01:24:59,540
primary witnesses that were on USS

2046
01:25:04,840 --> 01:25:01,220
Princeton in the combat Information

2047
01:25:08,290 --> 01:25:04,850
Center that day in November when this

2048
01:25:10,210 --> 01:25:08,300
whole incident went down they were you

2049
01:25:12,970 --> 01:25:10,220
know seeing the radar screens they were

2050
01:25:16,030 --> 01:25:12,980
hearing the pilots on talkback radios in

2051
01:25:18,340 --> 01:25:16,040
the combat and they were hearing the

2052
01:25:19,660 --> 01:25:18,350
intercepts and so these were the guys

2053
01:25:21,100 --> 01:25:19,670
that were there

2054
01:25:24,430 --> 01:25:21,110
but and I just asked him my hey you want

2055
01:25:26,740 --> 01:25:24,440
to be my film you can do some radio you

2056
01:25:28,540 --> 01:25:26,750
know dialogue and they're like sure so

2057
01:25:30,220 --> 01:25:28,550
we set up a conference call I'm like I

2058
01:25:32,440 --> 01:25:30,230
don't need to go all the way to Oregon

2059
01:25:34,930 --> 01:25:32,450
where Kevin lives I can just put him on

2060
01:25:38,140 --> 01:25:34,940
a speaker phone and it almost sounds

2061
01:25:39,790 --> 01:25:38,150
like a radio and same with Gary who you

2062
01:25:42,190 --> 01:25:39,800
know we kind of had fun that day

2063
01:25:44,770 --> 01:25:42,200
creating that little dialogue and then

2064
01:25:46,510 --> 01:25:44,780
you know I got my wife to do want and

2065
01:25:48,310 --> 01:25:46,520
one of my other buddies he came in and

2066
01:25:49,990 --> 01:25:48,320
did one of the others our pilot so it

2067
01:25:52,540 --> 01:25:50,000
was all done you know without having to

2068
01:25:57,100 --> 01:25:52,550
spend a great deal of money and it was a

2069
01:25:59,170 --> 01:25:57,110
lot of fun as well and by the way at the

2070
01:26:04,020 --> 01:25:59,180
end of the film I say you know if you

2071
01:26:06,400 --> 01:26:04,030
have any information about witnesses to

2072
01:26:09,520 --> 01:26:06,410
UFO sightings for military ships are

2073
01:26:12,010 --> 01:26:09,530
playing give us an email you know give

2074
01:26:14,260 --> 01:26:12,020
us a shout out on this email so I put an

2075
01:26:16,690 --> 01:26:14,270
email address on the film and I've

2076
01:26:20,020 --> 01:26:16,700
probably gotten over a hundred emails

2077
01:26:22,030 --> 01:26:20,030
real don't yeah I've gotten well I have

2078
01:26:24,670 --> 01:26:22,040
witnesses that go all the way back to

2079
01:26:27,130 --> 01:26:24,680
the 50s like hey you know I was on an

2080
01:26:29,590 --> 01:26:27,140
Air Force Base in 1950 whatever and I'll

2081
01:26:31,360 --> 01:26:29,600
tell you them the site that I had it's

2082
01:26:32,650 --> 01:26:31,370
very interesting so now I have this hope

2083
01:26:35,680 --> 01:26:32,660
I could write a book I have a whole

2084
01:26:41,110 --> 01:26:35,690
collection of probably untold UFO

2085
01:26:43,090 --> 01:26:41,120
stories but I have three that are from

2086
01:26:45,580 --> 01:26:43,100
the Nimitz encounters and these are guys

2087
01:26:47,950 --> 01:26:45,590
that have not been heard of before

2088
01:26:50,890 --> 01:26:47,960
no one knows their names and they're

2089
01:26:51,880 --> 01:26:50,900
very interesting and I can I can share

2090
01:26:53,440 --> 01:26:51,890
them with you guys if you want to hear

2091
01:26:54,460 --> 01:26:53,450
about it sure oh yeah of course we want

2092
01:26:59,020 --> 01:26:54,470
to hear about it yes

2093
01:27:02,350 --> 01:26:59,030
okay all right so start out with one

2094
01:27:04,060 --> 01:27:02,360
that's like I'll go from you know you

2095
01:27:05,350 --> 01:27:04,070
know on a scale of one to nine I'll

2096
01:27:07,690 --> 01:27:05,360
start around five and then the last one

2097
01:27:10,500 --> 01:27:07,700
will be like the good one okay so the

2098
01:27:13,330 --> 01:27:10,510
first witness his name is Jason Turner

2099
01:27:15,580 --> 01:27:13,340
he's listening I told him I was gonna

2100
01:27:18,510 --> 01:27:15,590
say his name out there and he okay with

2101
01:27:22,480 --> 01:27:18,520
it he was on the USS Princeton November

2102
01:27:24,100 --> 01:27:22,490
2004 and he wasn't like in the combat

2103
01:27:25,930 --> 01:27:24,110
Information Center sitting behind a

2104
01:27:28,780 --> 01:27:25,940
radar screen actually you work like in

2105
01:27:31,030 --> 01:27:28,790
the ship's store and medical department

2106
01:27:33,430 --> 01:27:31,040
you know I was like a petty officer I

2107
01:27:35,260 --> 01:27:33,440
guess but of course everybody

2108
01:27:37,300 --> 01:27:35,270
that [\h__\h] and you what was going on on

2109
01:27:41,020 --> 01:27:37,310
that next day or whatever right and he

2110
01:27:42,700 --> 01:27:41,030
had a buddy that worked in the I guess

2111
01:27:45,120 --> 01:27:42,710
it would be in one of the Intel spaces

2112
01:27:47,890 --> 01:27:45,130
on the ship he was like a cryptographic

2113
01:27:50,260 --> 01:27:47,900
technician something like that and he

2114
01:27:51,670 --> 01:27:50,270
invited Jason and he's like hey you got

2115
01:27:53,800 --> 01:27:51,680
to see this video because we have it on

2116
01:27:55,120 --> 01:27:53,810
our console so he had clearance to go

2117
01:27:58,180 --> 01:27:55,130
into that area this ship and it was

2118
01:28:02,110 --> 01:27:58,190
called the sses the ship's signal

2119
01:28:04,930 --> 01:28:02,120
exploitation space where these consoles

2120
01:28:08,320 --> 01:28:04,940
were that they used for you know I guess

2121
01:28:11,770 --> 01:28:08,330
storing Intel and he showed him this

2122
01:28:15,280 --> 01:28:11,780
FLIR video and it is the video that we

2123
01:28:17,170 --> 01:28:15,290
have a copy of but Jason says that the

2124
01:28:19,660 --> 01:28:17,180
video he saw first of all was much

2125
01:28:23,260 --> 01:28:19,670
higher quality much higher resolution

2126
01:28:25,060 --> 01:28:23,270
and he said that it was much longer the

2127
01:28:28,930 --> 01:28:25,070
video that we have is about one minute

2128
01:28:32,310 --> 01:28:28,940
17 seconds and the one he saw was seven

2129
01:28:35,950 --> 01:28:32,320
to ten minutes in length and I said well

2130
01:28:37,540 --> 01:28:35,960
was there anything you know cool on it

2131
01:28:39,340 --> 01:28:37,550
or it's just this white blob in the

2132
01:28:43,150 --> 01:28:39,350
center of the screen like what we

2133
01:28:46,090 --> 01:28:43,160
haven't said no he goes this this thing

2134
01:28:49,300 --> 01:28:46,100
was being chased by the jet and it did a

2135
01:28:50,770 --> 01:28:49,310
90-degree turn you know which you could

2136
01:28:53,740 --> 01:28:50,780
see and he said it just took off like

2137
01:28:55,150 --> 01:28:53,750
hypersonic out of the frame you know as

2138
01:28:56,290 --> 01:28:55,160
part of this thing I go whoa is that in

2139
01:28:58,060 --> 01:28:56,300
the video that we have you guys know

2140
01:28:59,470 --> 01:28:58,070
that you don't see that in the FLIR

2141
01:29:02,890 --> 01:28:59,480
video we have but it was on this

2142
01:29:04,209 --> 01:29:02,900
original one that he saw so you know

2143
01:29:08,200 --> 01:29:04,219
somewhere that's out there this

2144
01:29:10,870 --> 01:29:08,210
10-minute FLIR did yeah and I asked him

2145
01:29:13,030 --> 01:29:10,880
I go well did you see anybody come on to

2146
01:29:15,970 --> 01:29:13,040
the ship or were you asked not to talk

2147
01:29:17,260 --> 01:29:15,980
about this he said no they weren't ever

2148
01:29:20,830 --> 01:29:17,270
told not to talk about it

2149
01:29:22,750 --> 01:29:20,840
he said that when the ship docked after

2150
01:29:24,250 --> 01:29:22,760
you know that training I guess in San

2151
01:29:27,370 --> 01:29:24,260
Diego when they came back to port

2152
01:29:31,560 --> 01:29:27,380
he said that guys came on board in

2153
01:29:33,970 --> 01:29:31,570
plainclothes and secured all the data

2154
01:29:36,459 --> 01:29:33,980
from the ship all the radar and

2155
01:29:38,380 --> 01:29:36,469
everything and took it away so that was

2156
01:29:39,880 --> 01:29:38,390
like the last he saw that and he didn't

2157
01:29:42,250 --> 01:29:39,890
know who I don't think he knew who these

2158
01:29:45,040 --> 01:29:42,260
guys were aside from the officers that

2159
01:29:46,820 --> 01:29:45,050
were part of the Navy so that's one

2160
01:29:49,130 --> 01:29:46,830
interesting story and

2161
01:29:51,080 --> 01:29:49,140
Jason's out there and you know he

2162
01:29:54,710 --> 01:29:51,090
doesn't mind having his name used and

2163
01:29:55,580 --> 01:29:54,720
and so on so okay the next yeah any

2164
01:29:59,900 --> 01:29:55,590
questions by the way

2165
01:30:01,760 --> 01:29:59,910
no keep going okay next one again these

2166
01:30:05,330 --> 01:30:01,770
long names through the email that I had

2167
01:30:07,310 --> 01:30:05,340
set up on at Nimitz the Nimitz

2168
01:30:09,890 --> 01:30:07,320
encounters comm you know

2169
01:30:13,400 --> 01:30:09,900
so the the second guy was on the USS

2170
01:30:18,680 --> 01:30:13,410
Nimitz and he was in the Wallbanger

2171
01:30:21,470 --> 01:30:18,690
squadron this is the e2 Hawkeye early

2172
01:30:24,110 --> 01:30:21,480
the radar plan the radar plan yeah the

2173
01:30:26,090 --> 01:30:24,120
one you seen in my film banger you know

2174
01:30:28,340 --> 01:30:26,100
with a giant round radar dish I'm

2175
01:30:30,530 --> 01:30:28,350
sitting on top of it they normally

2176
01:30:32,540 --> 01:30:30,540
control the fighter jets when there's

2177
01:30:36,020 --> 01:30:32,550
like you know missions going on they get

2178
01:30:38,180 --> 01:30:36,030
up high and they can see everything so

2179
01:30:42,590 --> 01:30:38,190
they're sort of like a air traffic

2180
01:30:45,350 --> 01:30:42,600
control in the sky well this guy was on

2181
01:30:50,320 --> 01:30:45,360
there he was a an avionics technician

2182
01:30:54,110 --> 01:30:50,330
and his job was when these planes landed

2183
01:30:56,930 --> 01:30:54,120
they would to maintenance on the on the

2184
01:30:59,570 --> 01:30:56,940
planes but his job was to secure and

2185
01:31:02,150 --> 01:30:59,580
remove part of the avionics are these

2186
01:31:04,340 --> 01:31:02,160
hard drives he said that they record the

2187
01:31:08,060 --> 01:31:04,350
radar tracks on you know I guess it's

2188
01:31:11,330 --> 01:31:08,070
kept as a copy and on that day when that

2189
01:31:13,460 --> 01:31:11,340
particular mission came back in that e

2190
01:31:17,660 --> 01:31:13,470
to Hawkeye I guess you know the one in

2191
01:31:19,520 --> 01:31:17,670
my film or one of them landed the plane

2192
01:31:23,570 --> 01:31:19,530
was sitting there for like 20 minutes

2193
01:31:25,070 --> 01:31:23,580
and they were taking these parts off the

2194
01:31:28,030 --> 01:31:25,080
skipper or the commanding officer came

2195
01:31:30,920 --> 01:31:28,040
up and he said there's some guys here

2196
01:31:33,410 --> 01:31:30,930
they were going to take that material so

2197
01:31:35,780 --> 01:31:33,420
you know we need to get those hard

2198
01:31:40,460 --> 01:31:35,790
drives and he says that there were like

2199
01:31:43,250 --> 01:31:40,470
two Air Force officers or two United

2200
01:31:47,540 --> 01:31:43,260
States Air Force personnel that had been

2201
01:31:49,130 --> 01:31:47,550
they had landed on Nimitz that morning

2202
01:31:52,310 --> 01:31:49,140
or that afternoon and they were there to

2203
01:31:54,800 --> 01:31:52,320
take these hard drives off of this EP

2204
01:31:56,720 --> 01:31:54,810
Hawkeye and he saw of him like take them

2205
01:31:59,480 --> 01:31:56,730
and they were they confiscated these

2206
01:32:01,940 --> 01:31:59,490
hard drives and then they were gone

2207
01:32:03,950 --> 01:32:01,950
I had never heard that I said you sure

2208
01:32:05,990 --> 01:32:03,960
these were United States Air Force on a

2209
01:32:07,910 --> 01:32:06,000
navy carrier he's like yep he goes

2210
01:32:11,090 --> 01:32:07,920
they stood out like a sore thumb ha ha

2211
01:32:14,030 --> 01:32:11,100
ha ha ha well you know I've heard of you

2212
01:32:16,640 --> 01:32:14,040
know the OSI or whatever you know so

2213
01:32:20,150 --> 01:32:16,650
perhaps he's correct I mean I I would

2214
01:32:22,700 --> 01:32:20,160
assume you know in by the way I went I

2215
01:32:25,190 --> 01:32:22,710
can't 100% verify these guys cuz I

2216
01:32:30,170 --> 01:32:25,200
didn't go and see their ID like but I

2217
01:32:33,710 --> 01:32:30,180
did go to the USS Nimitz cruise book and

2218
01:32:35,930 --> 01:32:33,720
look them up and sure enough they're you

2219
01:32:37,070 --> 01:32:35,940
know that they claimed to be these guys

2220
01:32:38,870 --> 01:32:37,080
and I'm looking at their picture and

2221
01:32:42,080 --> 01:32:38,880
there's her name they were on the ship

2222
01:32:46,760 --> 01:32:42,090
and that's their job so you know unless

2223
01:32:48,020 --> 01:32:46,770
I get that DD whatever form I'm you know

2224
01:32:51,020 --> 01:32:48,030
I'm just gonna have to go with it and

2225
01:32:52,670 --> 01:32:51,030
say yeah pretty sure they're telling me

2226
01:32:56,630 --> 01:32:52,680
the truth and you're not just you know

2227
01:33:00,170 --> 01:32:56,640
pulling my leg ok so the last one this

2228
01:33:03,020 --> 01:33:00,180
witness this is pretty cool he was a

2229
01:33:08,860 --> 01:33:03,030
radar officer with the Wallbanger

2230
01:33:11,120 --> 01:33:08,870
squadron so he flew in the Hawkeye and

2231
01:33:12,260 --> 01:33:11,130
both of these last two they don't want

2232
01:33:15,260 --> 01:33:12,270
their names mentioned at least

2233
01:33:17,000 --> 01:33:15,270
physically so they're anonymous this guy

2234
01:33:20,330 --> 01:33:17,010
was just a radar officer

2235
01:33:23,990 --> 01:33:20,340
he says that they were up there and he

2236
01:33:26,660 --> 01:33:24,000
heard the Jets flavor and slit 8th and

2237
01:33:28,850 --> 01:33:26,670
Kuykendall these guys on the radio he

2238
01:33:31,850 --> 01:33:28,860
heard the you know weapons load out and

2239
01:33:33,410 --> 01:33:31,860
these intercepts and he said that it was

2240
01:33:35,870 --> 01:33:33,420
kind of scary because they didn't know

2241
01:33:37,850 --> 01:33:35,880
if there was hostile and Ted it says

2242
01:33:41,030 --> 01:33:37,860
what was going on so it was very tense

2243
01:33:43,370 --> 01:33:41,040
day and he was kind of glad that no

2244
01:33:47,150 --> 01:33:43,380
casualties resulted in any of this stuff

2245
01:33:51,020 --> 01:33:47,160
but he said that he and the crew saw the

2246
01:33:53,990 --> 01:33:51,030
tic-tacs that on this Hawkeye he said

2247
01:33:56,960 --> 01:33:54,000
that this craft trance he says it

2248
01:33:59,600 --> 01:33:56,970
transited very quickly and then for a

2249
01:34:01,880 --> 01:33:59,610
second he said it joined up on their

2250
01:34:03,770 --> 01:34:01,890
hawkeye egg I'm not sure if that meant

2251
01:34:06,110 --> 01:34:03,780
like off the wing or whatever and then

2252
01:34:09,830 --> 01:34:06,120
it took off for like 2 or 3 seconds so

2253
01:34:12,890 --> 01:34:09,840
he said that everybody on a plane saw

2254
01:34:14,419 --> 01:34:12,900
the tic-tac and so

2255
01:34:15,649 --> 01:34:14,429
finally the missions over and they're

2256
01:34:17,149 --> 01:34:15,659
coming back you know the call back to

2257
01:34:20,510 --> 01:34:17,159
the carrier to come into trap on the

2258
01:34:24,770 --> 01:34:20,520
carrier and over the radio they're told

2259
01:34:27,649 --> 01:34:24,780
to sit there and not to turn off the

2260
01:34:29,240 --> 01:34:27,659
motor and he said that that means it's

2261
01:34:31,520 --> 01:34:29,250
called like a hot pump he said that

2262
01:34:32,990 --> 01:34:31,530
their engines are running in a combat

2263
01:34:34,850 --> 01:34:33,000
situation I guess they would they would

2264
01:34:37,430 --> 01:34:34,860
sometimes refuel the plane as it just

2265
01:34:38,840 --> 01:34:37,440
sits there on the dock and then take off

2266
01:34:41,750 --> 01:34:38,850
again or something he so it was very

2267
01:34:44,959 --> 01:34:41,760
unusual in this situation to be asked to

2268
01:34:46,370 --> 01:34:44,969
sit there with the engines running he

2269
01:34:50,090 --> 01:34:46,380
said okay after 20 minutes they were

2270
01:34:52,729 --> 01:34:50,100
given the order to you know take turn

2271
01:34:55,459 --> 01:34:52,739
off the engines and come out they were

2272
01:34:57,350 --> 01:34:55,469
met there on the deck by their Co or

2273
01:34:59,180 --> 01:34:57,360
their skipper or whatever and a couple

2274
01:35:02,479 --> 01:34:59,190
of under individuals and they were told

2275
01:35:06,979 --> 01:35:02,489
to follow them downstairs into some some

2276
01:35:09,590 --> 01:35:06,989
secure area on the carrier when they got

2277
01:35:11,780 --> 01:35:09,600
into the secure area they began

2278
01:35:15,410 --> 01:35:11,790
individually briefing these guys and

2279
01:35:19,430 --> 01:35:15,420
they told them nothing you didn't see

2280
01:35:22,939 --> 01:35:19,440
anything this did not happen and they

2281
01:35:26,660 --> 01:35:22,949
had them sign you know affidavits or

2282
01:35:28,370 --> 01:35:26,670
NDA's or something so he's saying you

2283
01:35:31,610 --> 01:35:28,380
know he had to sign something that he

2284
01:35:34,250 --> 01:35:31,620
would not discuss this incident he said

2285
01:35:37,580 --> 01:35:34,260
after that they were led back to their

2286
01:35:39,919 --> 01:35:37,590
ready room and when they got back they

2287
01:35:42,530 --> 01:35:39,929
were another unusual thing they were

2288
01:35:44,870 --> 01:35:42,540
told that they were not going to debrief

2289
01:35:47,479 --> 01:35:44,880
the mission which was something that

2290
01:35:49,700 --> 01:35:47,489
they always did they were tyke talk

2291
01:35:52,550 --> 01:35:49,710
about safety issues or post-flight

2292
01:35:54,590 --> 01:35:52,560
call-outs in this case they weren't even

2293
01:35:58,399 --> 01:35:54,600
allowed to talk about the flight at all

2294
01:36:00,620 --> 01:35:58,409
and so I mean he was said he was told

2295
01:36:02,270 --> 01:36:00,630
this didn't happen and he said after he

2296
01:36:05,570 --> 01:36:02,280
saw my film he was like this is like the

2297
01:36:07,399 --> 01:36:05,580
first time in you know 14 years that I

2298
01:36:09,950 --> 01:36:07,409
was able to look at that and go you know

2299
01:36:11,330 --> 01:36:09,960
what it's great to see that because for

2300
01:36:15,040 --> 01:36:11,340
all these years I was really starting to

2301
01:36:19,640 --> 01:36:15,050
think maybe it really did not happen so

2302
01:36:21,860 --> 01:36:19,650
there's three brand-new semi one one

2303
01:36:24,770 --> 01:36:21,870
Prime in a couple other witnesses that

2304
01:36:26,689 --> 01:36:24,780
saw all this stuff you know to sort of

2305
01:36:30,500 --> 01:36:26,699
indicate an even further stir

2306
01:36:32,750 --> 01:36:30,510
this as a real very unexplained case you

2307
01:36:35,479 --> 01:36:32,760
know I think it's a top 10 all-time case

2308
01:36:38,120 --> 01:36:35,489
just because of who's involved and the

2309
01:36:44,299 --> 01:36:38,130
hub that surrounded it I'm big on ha Bob

2310
01:36:47,060 --> 01:36:44,309
so I think it's a top so uh I I wanted a

2311
01:36:50,989 --> 01:36:47,070
a Steve um regarding your nimitz

2312
01:36:53,149 --> 01:36:50,999
encounters film if anybody were to take

2313
01:36:55,580 --> 01:36:53,159
anything away from your film without

2314
01:36:57,890 --> 01:36:55,590
really giving you know way too much what

2315
01:36:58,819 --> 01:36:57,900
would you say is one of the most

2316
01:37:02,109 --> 01:36:58,829
important things

2317
01:37:06,859 --> 01:37:02,119
somebody can gain from watching it I

2318
01:37:08,540 --> 01:37:06,869
would say that you know in again I I

2319
01:37:11,270 --> 01:37:08,550
look at the comments in the video and

2320
01:37:12,979 --> 01:37:11,280
these are probably people that are into

2321
01:37:15,080 --> 01:37:12,989
UFO it was you know I mean they might

2322
01:37:17,259 --> 01:37:15,090
look at it just cuz it's on a popular

2323
01:37:20,029 --> 01:37:17,269
list or something and in their feed and

2324
01:37:23,209 --> 01:37:20,039
they'll say this didn't happen this is

2325
01:37:25,489 --> 01:37:23,219
not real this is BS there is no way that

2326
01:37:27,589 --> 01:37:25,499
this really happened you know I've seen

2327
01:37:31,819 --> 01:37:27,599
the beginning of a disclaimer saying

2328
01:37:36,049 --> 01:37:31,829
that it's not presented in fact and my

2329
01:37:38,629 --> 01:37:36,059
reply is no it did happen you can look

2330
01:37:41,689 --> 01:37:38,639
at the these links to the New York Times

2331
01:37:44,089 --> 01:37:41,699
article you can look at this interview

2332
01:37:47,120 --> 01:37:44,099
that this fighter this commanding

2333
01:37:50,569 --> 01:37:47,130
officer or the fighter squadron his

2334
01:37:52,339 --> 01:37:50,579
statements the corroborating witness

2335
01:37:54,859 --> 01:37:52,349
statements it did happen

2336
01:37:58,580 --> 01:37:54,869
it's just unexplained I'm not saying

2337
01:38:00,290 --> 01:37:58,590
that these white objects are aliens from

2338
01:38:01,819 --> 01:38:00,300
another planet I'm just saying that we

2339
01:38:03,680 --> 01:38:01,829
don't know what they are and I don't

2340
01:38:06,799 --> 01:38:03,690
think the military knows either but

2341
01:38:09,319 --> 01:38:06,809
maybe they do I don't know I mean when

2342
01:38:11,299 --> 01:38:09,329
you have people telling you know radar

2343
01:38:14,419 --> 01:38:11,309
technicians that hey you didn't see

2344
01:38:17,810 --> 01:38:14,429
anything don't ever talk about this I'm

2345
01:38:19,459 --> 01:38:17,820
not sure why they would do that but I

2346
01:38:22,100 --> 01:38:19,469
think the biggest takeaway I would say

2347
01:38:24,709 --> 01:38:22,110
is yeah it did happen I don't think we

2348
01:38:26,359 --> 01:38:24,719
know why or what they are yet so well

2349
01:38:28,430 --> 01:38:26,369
and that's a really important point you

2350
01:38:31,310 --> 01:38:28,440
made regarding sort of the unexplained

2351
01:38:32,569 --> 01:38:31,320
physics of something going so fast you

2352
01:38:34,459 --> 01:38:32,579
don't really know what they are you

2353
01:38:36,560 --> 01:38:34,469
can't really say oh that was an

2354
01:38:38,629 --> 01:38:36,570
extraterrestrial craft but there was an

2355
01:38:41,270 --> 01:38:38,639
unidentified craft that was going at

2356
01:38:45,140 --> 01:38:41,280
speeds that were beyond what we are

2357
01:38:47,210 --> 01:38:45,150
especially I'm a dad hovering start and

2358
01:38:51,560 --> 01:38:47,220
it's not just somebody's eyeballs I mean

2359
01:38:54,530 --> 01:38:51,570
the the USS Princeton and aegis system

2360
01:38:58,760 --> 01:38:54,540
the spy-1 radar is probably one of the

2361
01:39:01,850 --> 01:38:58,770
most advanced radars we have on a naval

2362
01:39:03,380 --> 01:39:01,860
platform George Knapp likes to say you

2363
01:39:04,490 --> 01:39:03,390
could see a golf ball at a hundred miles

2364
01:39:09,050 --> 01:39:04,500
or something like that I mean these

2365
01:39:10,700 --> 01:39:09,060
things can I submarine you know you know

2366
01:39:12,080 --> 01:39:10,710
the mast or something sticking out of

2367
01:39:13,220 --> 01:39:12,090
water and antenna from a submarine

2368
01:39:15,080 --> 01:39:13,230
sticking out of the water they probably

2369
01:39:17,410 --> 01:39:15,090
could see that from miles away

2370
01:39:19,910 --> 01:39:17,420
so it's a very sophisticated radar and

2371
01:39:23,120 --> 01:39:19,920
seven-day says the they were tracking

2372
01:39:25,600 --> 01:39:23,130
these thing coming in from above the the

2373
01:39:28,310 --> 01:39:25,610
height of the stand island they call it

2374
01:39:31,430 --> 01:39:28,320
sixty to eighty thousand you know and

2375
01:39:33,350 --> 01:39:31,440
then in the atmosphere dropping to the

2376
01:39:36,470 --> 01:39:33,360
surface of the water in less than one

2377
01:39:39,140 --> 01:39:36,480
second which would put the speed at you

2378
01:39:40,370 --> 01:39:39,150
know it's just I don't know like fifteen

2379
01:39:42,980 --> 01:39:40,380
thousand miles an hour or something like

2380
01:39:46,430 --> 01:39:42,990
that that you know you just you it

2381
01:39:49,580 --> 01:39:46,440
defies physics so I don't know I mean

2382
01:39:51,800 --> 01:39:49,590
I'm not sure we have some technology

2383
01:39:54,770 --> 01:39:51,810
like that guess bob lazar say sure we

2384
01:39:56,630 --> 01:39:54,780
have it but I don't have the proof of

2385
01:39:59,720 --> 01:39:56,640
that so I don't know what they are but

2386
01:40:02,510 --> 01:39:59,730
this event did happen and many people

2387
01:40:03,020 --> 01:40:02,520
saw that and you know and explained and

2388
01:40:05,690 --> 01:40:03,030
I died

2389
01:40:07,790 --> 01:40:05,700
radar is physical evidence I can't drive

2390
01:40:10,460 --> 01:40:07,800
that home enough I've spoken to a couple

2391
01:40:13,010 --> 01:40:10,470
physicists we're on the same page on

2392
01:40:15,890 --> 01:40:13,020
that professor Stark and professor Knuth

2393
01:40:17,780 --> 01:40:15,900
I asked both of them specifically radar

2394
01:40:19,580 --> 01:40:17,790
is physical evidence a lot of people run

2395
01:40:22,610 --> 01:40:19,590
around and say oh where's the evidence

2396
01:40:25,240 --> 01:40:22,620
radar that's the evidence well

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01:40:27,530 --> 01:40:25,250
unfortunately a book according

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01:40:31,400 --> 01:40:27,540
technician the US Air Force came and

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01:40:35,960 --> 01:40:31,410
took the radar data and confiscated it

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01:40:38,960 --> 01:40:35,970
so I didn't say it was easy to get I

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01:40:40,730 --> 01:40:38,970
just say it is yeah and of course I as

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01:40:43,100 --> 01:40:40,740
we spoke about earlier they changed the

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01:40:45,650 --> 01:40:43,110
law regarding out for your request in

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01:40:47,840 --> 01:40:45,660
radar so there's all that well yeah

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01:40:49,970 --> 01:40:47,850
we're yeah we're gonna wrap things up

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01:40:52,640 --> 01:40:49,980
but we've got a good hour now three core

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01:40:55,550 --> 01:40:52,650
and I think we reviewed the year pretty

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01:40:56,750 --> 01:40:55,560
thoroughly we we lost grant that

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01:40:59,630 --> 01:40:56,760
somewhere early along the way weren't

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01:41:01,520 --> 01:40:59,640
able to pick him back up but he was able

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01:41:03,560 --> 01:41:01,530
to make some key contributions early on

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01:41:05,840 --> 01:41:03,570
the latter part of the year I was a lot

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01:41:07,729 --> 01:41:05,850
from Jay and Dave regardless and a lot

2414
01:41:11,060 --> 01:41:07,739
of stuff that we already covered in

2415
01:41:12,710 --> 01:41:11,070
recent roundtables pretty well we we

2416
01:41:15,710 --> 01:41:12,720
took all the meat off of those bones

2417
01:41:18,530 --> 01:41:15,720
within the last few weeks so not gonna

2418
01:41:20,690 --> 01:41:18,540
repeat ourselves on that I'm gonna wrap

2419
01:41:22,580 --> 01:41:20,700
things up and I want to go around the

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01:41:24,740 --> 01:41:22,590
horn and thank everybody for joining us

2421
01:41:26,660 --> 01:41:24,750
thanks grant Cameron now if you're

2422
01:41:29,030 --> 01:41:26,670
listening sorry we lost you there

2423
01:41:30,500 --> 01:41:29,040
but really yeah oh yeah grant you're

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01:41:33,800 --> 01:41:30,510
back okay yeah sorry about that

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01:41:37,220 --> 01:41:33,810
okay your big scoop it was good yeah

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01:41:39,680 --> 01:41:37,230
yeah so uh grant thanks so much for

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01:41:42,110 --> 01:41:39,690
coming on now thanks for coming on for a

2428
01:41:45,740 --> 01:41:42,120
third time now and also helping us

2429
01:41:47,510 --> 01:41:45,750
promote the show with links at over on

2430
01:41:50,390 --> 01:41:47,520
your Facebook pages

2431
01:41:52,760 --> 01:41:50,400
thanks again so much you've been a huge

2432
01:41:54,490 --> 01:41:52,770
help to us and I can't appreciate your

2433
01:41:56,750 --> 01:41:54,500
early Christmas present to us and after

2434
01:41:59,870 --> 01:41:56,760
well I appreciate I appreciate being on

2435
01:42:02,090 --> 01:41:59,880
I appreciate being these young people

2436
01:42:04,850 --> 01:42:02,100
who have got things under control I

2437
01:42:05,690 --> 01:42:04,860
think we're working on it's a work in

2438
01:42:08,450 --> 01:42:05,700
progress

2439
01:42:10,580 --> 01:42:08,460
Johana thanks so much for coming on

2440
01:42:12,830 --> 01:42:10,590
again for a second time I'm sure we'll

2441
01:42:15,229 --> 01:42:12,840
be having you back on in the future I

2442
01:42:17,060 --> 01:42:15,239
think maybe some scoops might be coming

2443
01:42:19,970 --> 01:42:17,070
your way if you stay on it thanks again

2444
01:42:22,580 --> 01:42:19,980
yeah thank you and scoops will be coming

2445
01:42:28,670 --> 01:42:22,590
your way we already discussed that I

2446
01:42:32,200 --> 01:42:28,680
also wanted to congratulate you and your

2447
01:42:34,340 --> 01:42:32,210
co-hosts for a fantastic berth and

2448
01:42:35,960 --> 01:42:34,350
there's more to come for next year so

2449
01:42:38,270 --> 01:42:35,970
I'm really excited about all your guests

2450
01:42:41,600 --> 01:42:38,280
next year you better believe it I can't

2451
01:42:42,979 --> 01:42:41,610
say this is gonna be our last show it is

2452
01:42:44,360 --> 01:42:42,989
as far as I'm concerned but you never

2453
01:42:47,150 --> 01:42:44,370
know with James he might pull a rabbit

2454
01:42:49,250 --> 01:42:47,160
out of his hat and we might get one more

2455
01:42:50,930 --> 01:42:49,260
thing going I can assure you all if we

2456
01:42:52,850 --> 01:42:50,940
do it'll be a big one

2457
01:42:55,790 --> 01:42:52,860
Twitter Jay thanks for coming on again

2458
01:42:58,670 --> 01:42:55,800
my friend you were awesome again as

2459
01:43:00,500 --> 01:42:58,680
always I'm sure you're gonna be back -

2460
01:43:03,280 --> 01:43:00,510
no doubt about that in my mind that was

2461
01:43:07,760 --> 01:43:03,290
some more spectacular

2462
01:43:09,770 --> 01:43:07,770
yeah no worries uh come on any time

2463
01:43:11,240 --> 01:43:09,780
think about any other kind of stuff that

2464
01:43:14,930 --> 01:43:11,250
I'm putting up rights the environment

2465
01:43:17,150 --> 01:43:14,940
yeah steer probably yep absolutely and

2466
01:43:19,550 --> 01:43:17,160
again that day baby I know we want to do

2467
01:43:22,600 --> 01:43:19,560
more with your work and I know you've

2468
01:43:25,310 --> 01:43:22,610
recommended Christoph Spitzer as a

2469
01:43:27,729 --> 01:43:25,320
person that we should get more in touch

2470
01:43:30,290 --> 01:43:27,739
with I'm sure that's going to happen

2471
01:43:32,690 --> 01:43:30,300
think things do happen as far as getting

2472
01:43:34,430 --> 01:43:32,700
these shows on the road but believe me I

2473
01:43:36,290 --> 01:43:34,440
have not forgotten about that tip and

2474
01:43:38,380 --> 01:43:36,300
thanks for all that you've done for our

2475
01:43:41,840 --> 01:43:38,390
show I appreciate it

2476
01:43:43,880 --> 01:43:41,850
yeah thanks Frank I really appreciate

2477
01:43:47,570 --> 01:43:43,890
the invite on your show I mean I listen

2478
01:43:50,510 --> 01:43:47,580
to it being part of the discussion is is

2479
01:43:55,729 --> 01:43:50,520
humble to me to be you know amongst

2480
01:43:59,540 --> 01:43:55,739
these people and I just liked it you

2481
01:44:02,120 --> 01:43:59,550
know taking your time put together this

2482
01:44:05,120 --> 01:44:02,130
for the listeners out there and 2019

2483
01:44:06,860 --> 01:44:05,130
it's just as big as 2018 yeah though

2484
01:44:09,200 --> 01:44:06,870
there was a lot of complaining over the

2485
01:44:11,300 --> 01:44:09,210
course of the year but in between all

2486
01:44:13,790 --> 01:44:11,310
the complaining we did turn up some good

2487
01:44:15,200 --> 01:44:13,800
stuff we know more about UFOs today than

2488
01:44:15,890 --> 01:44:15,210
we did this time last year and that's

2489
01:44:17,360 --> 01:44:15,900
always a good thing

2490
01:44:19,640 --> 01:44:17,370
alright so I'm gonna wrap it up

2491
01:44:21,470 --> 01:44:19,650
everybody thanks for your support thanks

2492
01:44:23,660 --> 01:44:21,480
for listening merry Christmas to

2493
01:44:26,540 --> 01:44:23,670
everybody I'm going to close out the

2494
01:44:28,670 --> 01:44:26,550
show with a little bit of audio from 50

2495
01:44:31,910 --> 01:44:28,680
years ago this coming New Year's Eve

2496
01:44:34,670 --> 01:44:31,920
the Apollo 8 astronauts sent their

2497
01:44:38,060 --> 01:44:34,680
Christmas greetings back to Planet Earth

2498
01:44:40,430 --> 01:44:38,070
I'm gonna play that it was it was big

2499
01:44:42,440 --> 01:44:40,440
for me I remember watching this very

2500
01:44:44,270 --> 01:44:42,450
video well it's not a video it's an

2501
01:44:47,090 --> 01:44:44,280
audio but I remember watching this

2502
01:44:49,610 --> 01:44:47,100
moment as it unfolded sitting at home as

2503
01:44:51,890 --> 01:44:49,620
an 8 year old kid just blown away by it

2504
01:44:53,810 --> 01:44:51,900
so I'm gonna close I go to astronaut

2505
01:44:55,430 --> 01:44:53,820
Frank Borman gonna wrap this up I'm

2506
01:44:57,380 --> 01:44:55,440
gonna need to ask everybody to be a

2507
01:44:59,780 --> 01:44:57,390
little quiet while this little snippet

2508
01:45:02,570 --> 01:44:59,790
plays but our holiday greetings to you